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The Wall Street Journal says at least 10,000 people were killed: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-protest-crackdown-looks-deadlier-by-the-day-31e1347

• achow 8mo ago
  Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.
  • derelicta 8mo ago
    IHR is CIA-backed, and are thus prone to inflate these counts to justify an invasion.
    • lurk2 8mo ago
      > IHR is CIA-backed Can you provide us with any evidence of that?
      • thisislife2 8mo ago
        According to this right-leaning source (Revealed: The CIA-Backed NGOs Fueling the Iran Protests - https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fueling-the-iran-protests/ https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fu...): Most of the human rights organisation in Iran, cited heavily by western media, are backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which some countries (and some right-wing political organisations) believe is used by the CIA (if not funded and a front for it). Human Rights Activists in Iran is based in Fairfax, Virginia (where the CIA HQ is). (Apparently, they've received up to a million dollars in funding from the NED). The Abdorrahman Boroumand Center for Human Rights in Iran (ABCHRI) has also been associated with the NED. The Center for Human Rights in Iran (CHRI) is also based in New York City and Washington, D.C, and also funded by the NED (according to the Chinese).
        • derelicta 8mo ago
          They are right to ask for a source. I should provide them more often, if possible with statements coming straight out of the horse's mouth. These days, our politicians are so cocky they tend to announce to the whole world their conspiracies.
        • bluecheese452 8mo ago
          According to their website NED is based in washington dc. The CIA hq is not in fairfax, it is in Langley. Even if they were in the same city that is an incredibly weak argument. Custom ink (the shirt company) is also in fairfax. Are they a cia front too?
          • shevy-java 8mo ago
            Either way the question has to be: a) HOW was the data acquired? b) WHO obtained the data?
            • egberts1 8mo ago
              Ask @DataRepublican on X, she compiles and posts these NED traces ... on X.
          • MSFT_Edging 8mo ago
            Langley is part of Fairfax County. Much of northern Virginia is unincorporated Census Designated Places within counties. Additionally, a large portion of NGOs are based in Fairfax county due to the proximity to DC. The NRA headquarters is in Fairfax, and Maria Butina lived down the road from the NRA headquarters. A fun game to play is following the source. For instance, when events in Xiajiang were getting nonstop coverage, nearly every article that came out would cite either the adrian zenz paper or an NGO's article, which would cite the paper. Sometimes you'd have to go a few NGO layers deep. I repeated this experiment a few dozen times, about half would lead to an office park in Fairfax County. One time it was an Australian NGO that had the US DoD as a sponsor. There is an entire industry around intelligence laundering and consent manufacturing.
    • CMay 8mo ago
      The CIA is definitely operating in Iran. Nobody reasonable will deny that. Mossad is too, guaranteed. How inflated their numbers are, I don't know, but even just the confirmed numbers of dead both officially and unofficially are too high. At this point they need to split the country so people who want to live differently can do so. Maybe that would prevent needing to bomb the Iranian government into oblivion.
      • derelicta 8mo ago
        Splitting the country in two? Okay, but then you show them how to do it with YOUR country as example. I'm sure your freedom loving soul won't mind leading the way.
        • CMay 8mo ago
          Our country is already split into a bunch of pieces, so that's easy. In the US, many people do move when they don't like the local policies and there are many different states to choose from that handle issues differently.
          • anonair 8mo ago
            why Minnesotans don't choose another state to live in instead of protesting ICE?
  • mikkupikku 8mo ago
    With such a large difference between these estimates, it makes 36500 seem suspiciously precise. Comes across like a significant digit violation.
    • bombcar 8mo ago
      This is where using "between" instead of a somewhat precise number, even if your formulas and calculations resulted in it.
      • finghin 8mo ago
        There is a word for this: “approximately”