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This problem, along with general annoyances at Proton’s lack of focus on a good email experience pushed me over the edge to move to Fastmail. I’m so much happie

This problem, along with general annoyances at Proton’s lack of focus on a good email experience pushed me over the edge to move to Fastmail. I’m so much happier. Proton Mail Bridge would often pin one core of my laptop CPU, draining my battery, and it was still slow to sync new email. With Fastmail, incoming mail is so fast that the verification codes are already there before I can alt tab over.

StrangeSound 8mo ago
I'm in the same boat. I think part of that is Proton is spread across a huge suite of products and features, whereas Fastmail is specialised in one.
- Cthulhu_ 8mo ago
  It feels like Proton is trying to build a solid Europe-based alternative to Microsoft 365, which is necessary but also very ambitious and expensive.
  - throwaway173738 8mo ago
    Proton’s pricing is really frustrating for me because I want to buy upgrades to only a few services like Pass and email. Your only option on their service is to select either Pass or Mail. You cannot buy both and you will be downgraded on one if you try to buy the other.
    - jnurmine 8mo ago
      Doesn't Proton Unlimited have both?
- chrisjj 8mo ago
  > Fastmail is specialised in one. Sadly untrue since they added calendar. However I'd would say the email service and support remain excellent regardless.
  - DerArzt 8mo ago
    Email and calendar go together like bread and butter.
  - gassi 8mo ago
    I wouldn't use one without the other, which is how they won my business.
    - chrisjj 8mo ago
      Fair enough. I for one would have preferred FM put that effort into fixing issues I have with the email.
- Avamander 8mo ago
  They really haven't improved Mail in a long time now. Still can't use your own keys, still can't have a clean unmangled export, still can't send using your own keys. It's almost like Protonmail is intentionally hostile to key management outside of their control.
hn111 8mo ago
Same here, I've found too many bugs in Proton's email client and instead of fixing them they just release new products. FastMail support has been great, I think the developers themselves reply (some of the?) emails, going into technical details and being actually helpful.
- chrisjj 8mo ago
  > FastMail support has been great Seconded, failing only when up against tricky issues like insecurity of their so-called secure Masked Email.
  - qaz_plm 8mo ago
    I’m a heavy user of masked emails from Fastmail. Can you expound on the insecurity you mentioned?
    - chrisjj 8mo ago
      "WARNING: Fastmail Masked Email insecurity" https://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=81287 https://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=81287
      - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
        hello
      - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
        hello9
      - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
        [dead]
      - qaz_plm 8mo ago
        Appreciate the follow up!
nonninz 8mo ago
I may be in the same boat. Is Fastmail an US company though?
- BoboDupla 8mo ago
  Fastmail is an Australian company.
- elashri 8mo ago
  They solely use US servers [1] and don't have plans to offer EU or any non-US servers though. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/fastmail/comments/1jbryai/european_servers_please/ https://old.reddit.com/r/fastmail/comments/1jbryai/european_...
cyrialize 8mo ago
Fastmail is awesome! I've been a happy user for a long time. Everything just works. The UI is great, nothing gets in my way. I'm a fan of the randomly generated emails as well. That service integrates with 1Password too.
- joshuat 8mo ago
  The 1P integration is a pretty compelling feature
devnullbrain 8mo ago
I had the same problems with Bridge 5 years ago - what platform is it still needed on?

StrangeSound 8mo ago

I'm in the same boat. I think part of that is Proton is spread across a huge suite of products and features, whereas Fastmail is specialised in one.

Cthulhu_ 8mo ago
It feels like Proton is trying to build a solid Europe-based alternative to Microsoft 365, which is necessary but also very ambitious and expensive.
- throwaway173738 8mo ago
  Proton’s pricing is really frustrating for me because I want to buy upgrades to only a few services like Pass and email. Your only option on their service is to select either Pass or Mail. You cannot buy both and you will be downgraded on one if you try to buy the other.
  - jnurmine 8mo ago
    Doesn't Proton Unlimited have both?
chrisjj 8mo ago
> Fastmail is specialised in one. Sadly untrue since they added calendar. However I'd would say the email service and support remain excellent regardless.
- DerArzt 8mo ago
  Email and calendar go together like bread and butter.
- gassi 8mo ago
  I wouldn't use one without the other, which is how they won my business.
  - chrisjj 8mo ago
    Fair enough. I for one would have preferred FM put that effort into fixing issues I have with the email.
Avamander 8mo ago
They really haven't improved Mail in a long time now. Still can't use your own keys, still can't have a clean unmangled export, still can't send using your own keys. It's almost like Protonmail is intentionally hostile to key management outside of their control.

hn111 8mo ago

Same here, I've found too many bugs in Proton's email client and instead of fixing them they just release new products. FastMail support has been great, I think the developers themselves reply (some of the?) emails, going into technical details and being actually helpful.

chrisjj 8mo ago
> FastMail support has been great Seconded, failing only when up against tricky issues like insecurity of their so-called secure Masked Email.
- qaz_plm 8mo ago
  I’m a heavy user of masked emails from Fastmail. Can you expound on the insecurity you mentioned?
  - chrisjj 8mo ago
    "WARNING: Fastmail Masked Email insecurity" https://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=81287 https://www.emaildiscussions.com/showthread.php?t=81287
    - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
      hello
    - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
      hello9
    - salihpala6pro 7mo ago
      [dead]
    - qaz_plm 8mo ago
      Appreciate the follow up!

nonninz 8mo ago

I may be in the same boat. Is Fastmail an US company though?

BoboDupla 8mo ago
Fastmail is an Australian company.
elashri 8mo ago
They solely use US servers [1] and don't have plans to offer EU or any non-US servers though. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/fastmail/comments/1jbryai/european_servers_please/ https://old.reddit.com/r/fastmail/comments/1jbryai/european_...

cyrialize 8mo ago

Fastmail is awesome! I've been a happy user for a long time. Everything just works. The UI is great, nothing gets in my way. I'm a fan of the randomly generated emails as well. That service integrates with 1Password too.

joshuat 8mo ago
The 1P integration is a pretty compelling feature

devnullbrain 8mo ago

I had the same problems with Bridge 5 years ago - what platform is it still needed on?