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What if the agents were trained by leaked Microsoft code?

jeroenhd 8mo ago
With the way the courts seem to judge LLM outputs, I don't think that's an issue as long as it's provable that the code was shat out by an LLM. Of course Microsoft could still claim that someone used a leaked Windows build as the source so any LLM use would be a ticking time bomb.
- Kwpolska 8mo ago
  Is this defense even viable if the Windows XP source code has been leaked and openly shared online, and you can find many copies of it on GitHub?
  - jeroenhd 8mo ago
    There's definitely irony in that Microsoft's GitHub is hosting the leaked source code (which probably got sucked into Copilot and every other AI under the sun as a result). However, I don't think copyright lawyers will care. "They're also committing a crime" doesn't mean you're free to do what you want. That applies especially in ReactOS vs MS, because if ReactOS succeeds, it will compete directly with Microsoft.
    - 1718627440 8mo ago
      > "They're also committing a crime" But Microsoft has the rights to the code, so they do not commit a crime by broadcasting it.
    - userulluipeste 8mo ago
      "Microsoft's GitHub is hosting the leaked source code (which probably got sucked into Copilot and every other AI under the sun as a result)." "However, I don't think copyright lawyers will care. «They're also committing a crime» doesn't mean you're free to do what you want. That applies especially in ReactOS vs MS, because if ReactOS succeeds, it will compete directly with Microsoft." And ReactOS uses GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/reactos/reactos/pull/8516 https://github.com/reactos/reactos/pull/8516 There's also such thing as being responsible (for an outcome), which in case of litigation means being culpable. Microsoft here is the sole actor that has any control on the GitHub Copilot, on what it was fed with, and thus - on its output (which would be the base of their accusation if they sue). How do you imagine such a case could be made to look like it would have any legal standing?
- p0w3n3d 8mo ago
  That creates a loop hole. Take code, feed LLM and let it spew it again - voilà - you have perfectly legal code. Just fix bugs

With the way the courts seem to judge LLM outputs, I don't think that's an issue as long as it's provable that the code was shat out by an LLM. Of course Microsoft could still claim that someone used a leaked Windows build as the source so any LLM use would be a ticking time bomb.

Kwpolska 8mo ago
Is this defense even viable if the Windows XP source code has been leaked and openly shared online, and you can find many copies of it on GitHub?
- jeroenhd 8mo ago
  There's definitely irony in that Microsoft's GitHub is hosting the leaked source code (which probably got sucked into Copilot and every other AI under the sun as a result). However, I don't think copyright lawyers will care. "They're also committing a crime" doesn't mean you're free to do what you want. That applies especially in ReactOS vs MS, because if ReactOS succeeds, it will compete directly with Microsoft.
  - 1718627440 8mo ago
    > "They're also committing a crime" But Microsoft has the rights to the code, so they do not commit a crime by broadcasting it.
  - userulluipeste 8mo ago
    "Microsoft's GitHub is hosting the leaked source code (which probably got sucked into Copilot and every other AI under the sun as a result)." "However, I don't think copyright lawyers will care. «They're also committing a crime» doesn't mean you're free to do what you want. That applies especially in ReactOS vs MS, because if ReactOS succeeds, it will compete directly with Microsoft." And ReactOS uses GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/reactos/reactos/pull/8516 https://github.com/reactos/reactos/pull/8516 There's also such thing as being responsible (for an outcome), which in case of litigation means being culpable. Microsoft here is the sole actor that has any control on the GitHub Copilot, on what it was fed with, and thus - on its output (which would be the base of their accusation if they sue). How do you imagine such a case could be made to look like it would have any legal standing?
p0w3n3d 8mo ago
That creates a loop hole. Take code, feed LLM and let it spew it again - voilà - you have perfectly legal code. Just fix bugs