7 ms·
Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying en
by dbish 8mo ago
Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying enough and I greatly appreciate the various people trying to take calls eventually lose service.
- edent 8mo agoWhy is your need for silence more important than other people's need to communicate?
- Retric 8mo agoNeither of those things are needs, it’s just wants and preferring your own wants over others is completely normal. Imagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own.
- userbinator 8mo agoImagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own. Unfortunately that happens a lot; it's called the government.
- trueismywork 8mo agoCollective vs individuals desires
- immibis 8mo agoCollectivism killed hundreds of millions of people, so I'll take individualism thanks.
- nanna 8mo agoBecause silence is a common good, like clean air. It's everyone's. When people fill it with their noise they effectively privatize it for the duration. When they shout on speakerphone or play their music or blare sound from their apps it's especially selfish.
- hexbin010 8mo agoIt's actually against byelaws to play music or other loud sounds on transport in London and they can prosecute you if they so wished... It's about acknowledging it's a shared resource and respecting the space. No loud noises, no littering, no being drunk etc These days people act like they're the only ones travelling
- nanna 8mo agoLooks like TFL issued a whopping three fines in total last year... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4lje9jpjo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4lje9jpjo
- hexbin010 8mo agoI know, it's pathetic. It's partly because they don't want to pay for the staff to do the enforcement and partly probably some other reasons. In classic British style they just try to influence and nudge people with campaigns and posters. That way the organisation doesn't have to deal with awkward accusations of racism etc
- catoc 8mo agoYou do understand that one of those “needs”affects others around you, and one of them leaves them in peace, right? Also I’m sure parent wasn’t referring to emergency calls
- throw567643u8 8mo agoEtiquette. Some are raised with it.
- jorvi 8mo agoTheir silence disrupts no one, but one call or loud song disrupts 20-40 people their peace. Don't be a douche.
- CalRobert 8mo agoThey can use headphones. The problem is listening to someone scroll through tiktok with volume on max.
- youngtaff 8mo agoYou’re be a bit contrarian there and I’m quite sure you actually believe it’s far more nuanced than that
- dbish 8mo agoSimply being polite. Understanding there are other people in the world you inhabit. Things like that.
- lostlogin 8mo agoIt’s a tough choice, is it worse to hear their phone calls, or hear 2 seconds of every bit of TikTok/Instagram feed trash. Either way, no cellular access seems a plus.
- throw567643u8 8mo agoHonestly I'd prefer to listen to phone calls over brainless reels. Both are hell.
- esperent 8mo agoNot to excuse other people's behavior but buying a decent pair of noise canceling headphones or earbuds will make putting up with it a whole lot easier. You don't even have to listen to anything, or you can put rain noises and thunderstorms. It's as much better soundscape than public transport.
- buckle8017 8mo agoNoise cancelling headphones on NYC public transit is insanity.
- TheFuzzball 8mo agoWhy?
- dbish 8mo agoYou want to be aware of your surroundings.
- lxgr 8mo agoNo, riding the Subway without noise canceling headphones is. The track screeching is something else.
- hexbin010 8mo agoThat also creates a problem that people then can not hear important announcements or be aware of dangers (such as knife wielding attackers, as happened on an LNER train just late last year)
- wolvoleo 8mo agoYou can still hear those things, just not obnoxiously loudly. NC works best against static sounds. Speech still makes it through. Just not as loud. If you're in a busy car enough people will hear it to be aware, and if you're on your own you will hear the announcement clearly. Besides it's really a one in 10 million chance you'll get stabbed on the metro, not worth worrying about. The chance of getting hit by a car in traffic is much higher. That feeling of always being in some kind of danger seems to be very American, I never really see that in people here in Europe. I think it's the sensationalism in the press there, every little incident is blown up to massive "BREAKING NEWS!" proportions.
- wolvoleo 8mo agoWho still calls anyway? Literally all my friends exclusively message now (on WhatsApp). It would be really annoying if I were out of touch for the whole duration of subway trips. But in my city it works great. Here the 3 main providers pooled together and shared the installation.
- throw567643u8 8mo agoOne or two people per carriage/bus.
- kergonath 8mo ago> Literally all my friends exclusively message now (on WhatsApp). An annoyingly large number of them send audio messages. It’s worse for everyone involved.
- throw567643u8 8mo agoThis behaviour is so bad on London (above ground) trains, if they ever do 'crack it' and roll out mobile signal to the Underground, those tiny carriages will be unbearable.
- p10jkle 8mo agoThere already is signal on many underground lines, and it’s pretty rare that people are playing things out loud in my experience?
- hereonout2 8mo agoIt's because phones speakers aren't loud enough to be audible over the sound of the tube itself! It is noticeable on buses and overground when people play things out load, but to be honest quite rare in the grand scheme of things.
- LightBug1 8mo agoThat's true. I made several complaints about that to TFL before capitulating and just settling for noise-cancelling headphones. Never been happier. The clincher was noticing that the drivers themselves had access to ear defenders ... TFL said that that's because they're down there for extended periods of time. Sounds reasonable but I'm not buying that as a way out of not fixing the issue and exposing my ears to the worst bits of the tube. Also has the ancillary benefits of blocking out those rare times (for me) when people do have their phone on speaker or are having a chat I'm uninterested in.
- fennecbutt 8mo agoWelcome to the UK where citizens are so apathetic they don't care about aging infrastructure or government money being siphoned away.
- throw567643u8 8mo agoMy daily train to/from London Bridge to West Croydon is borderline unbearable.
- RicoElectrico 8mo agoSomehow even though there's great cell coverage in Warsaw metro people aren't being obnoxious with it.
- pajamasam 8mo agoSame in Munich
- cm2187 8mo agoThe worst is not calls, it is the thousands of zombies hooked up on tiktok 24/7, of course with headphones, so completely unaware and indifferent to their environment, who block tunnels, escalators, turnstiles, etc.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoIn the 90s we read the paper and dumbed with our magnetic tickets. In the 00s we listened to MP3s while playing snake on an oyster. In the 10s we played Andy birds and listened to iTunes with a credit card at the turnstile. In the 20s we doom scroll and listen to Spotify while tapping out with our phone. I don’t see the issue.
- cm2187 8mo agoAll of that that they did while they sit. I don’t remember people reading the newspapers while slow walking in the middle of a corridor. And the problem with headphones is that they make people unaware of their surrounding, alone in the world, and therefore for instance unaware that there is someone on their left that they will cut the way to. Small incivilities, but repeat several times a day every day and it gets seriously annoying.
- hdgvhicv 8mo agoCertainly people would do that. And sending text messages in the 00s. People have been wearing headphones while commuting for a generation, and (not on the underground but certainly on trains) people in the 80s and 90s were far more obnoxious - get stuck on a busy train between people having conversations about inane stuff while smoking. Public transport is far better today than it was 30 years ago, annoyances are far less than they were.
- traceroute66 8mo ago> Public transport is far better today than it was 30 years ago One exception. Give me the Routemaster bus back. The real ones, not the Boris ones. Those who know, know. ;)
- rhubarbtree 8mo agoWhat is the thing with people using phones without headphones? And making calls on public transport? When did that become a thing? It’s the most obnoxious selfish behaviour and it shocks me every time. It’s not just Gen Z either, I’ve seen a few boomers do it and even a couple of millennials.
- youngtaff 8mo agoTen of so years ago I was on a train and the women opposite me gave all her credit card details to someone over the phone — anyone close by could have had fun with them
- master-lincoln 8mo agoIs that still a thing in the USA that you can buy with just a credit card number, validity date, name and 3 digit code? In the EU we have psd2 mandating a second factor. Usually an app where the transaction has to be confirmed.
- gorfian_robot 8mo agoYep. the US has always been behind on this bc both the card companies and the merchants are loath to spend an extra .01% to implement better security. Apple Pay on mac is the best we got. Looking forward to getting a new mac this year in part just for that.
- youngtaff 8mo agoThis was in the UK, before 2FA was more common for Cardholders not Present transactions
- drnick1 8mo agoThe second factor is a true annoyance, especially because in Europe it tends to be an "app" that requires iOS or Google-certified phones.
- kotaKat 8mo agoBad News! They already ruined that one. https://www.boldyn.com/us/news/at-t-and-boldyn-networks-bring-cellular-service-to-the-mtas-joralemon-street-tunnel https://www.boldyn.com/us/news/at-t-and-boldyn-networks-brin...