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It really is not. This is misinformation spread mostly by the right winged party in germany and conservatives to some extent to. Electricity in Germany can loo

by ca1f 8mo ago

It really is not. This is misinformation spread mostly by the right winged party in germany and conservatives to some extent to. Electricity in Germany can look expensive at first sight if you're quoting legacy household tariffs that many existing customers are still on, because they never switch provider / tariff. But that's not representative of what people pay if they sign a new contract today: the market for new contracts is typically several cents/kWh cheaper than those old existing tariffs stuck at their higher prices. So "Germany has the highest electricity prices" is at best an incomplete claim, it depends heavily on which tariff cohort you refer to (legacy vs new contracts, default supply vs competitive offers), and people on the internet somehow always fall for this, often picking the worst bucket to make a political point. Sources: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/energiemonitor-strompreis-gaspreis-erneuerbare-energien-ausbau https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/energiemonitor-strompreis-gas... Unfortunately it's in german but my point stands: for new customers in germany the price per kwh is even lower than what france pays on average.

uecker 8mo ago
One should also point out that the household price is determined by many factors and does not reflect cost of generation.
- quotemstr 8mo ago
  Your energy prices are so high that century-old factories are shutting down and your export sector is collapsing. Yet you guys keep a (presumably) straight face while insisting that the truth is the opposite of what anyone with eyeballs can see. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
  - uecker 8mo ago
    Sad is the low intellectual level of this discussion where people draw conclusions from insufficient understanding of the data (or more likely, they believe what they read somewhere without even looking at data - which I assume is the case for you - as you do not provide logical arguments and merely repeat the talking points from political discussions, which are worded to evoke an emotional reaction "dying century-old factories" "collapsing"). The prices households or industry pays are only indirectly related to the generation cost and a lot more with fees, so this is something to study. Also, if you compare to France, EDF was renationalized and now contributes to the relative high amount of government debt compared to GDP.
    - quotemstr 8mo ago
      LOL. The wonderful thing about reality is that it's deaf to this kind of motivated reasoning. Enjoy your lignite and industrial collapse. When you're shivering at night, your children can't get jobs, and your country has no voice in global affairs, you can console yourself with the idea you at least tried reduced global carbon emissions by 0.1%.
    - UltraSane 8mo ago
      It is a real problem and is being addressed Subsidised electricity price set at 5 euro cents per kWh until 2028 https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-coalition-agrees-subsidised-power-price-industry-2025-11-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-coalition-agr... Germany cuts costs for electricity-intensive companies from 1 January 2026: the new industrial electricity price https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-electricity-intensive-companies-1-january-2026-new-industrial-electricity-price https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-el... Are high electricity prices a threat to Germany's industry? https://www.dw.com/en/high-electricity-prices-a-threat-to-germanys-industry/a-71644198 https://www.dw.com/en/high-electricity-prices-a-threat-to-ge... Deindustrialization in Germany: Energy Costs Driving Industries Abroad https://ceinterim.com/deindustrialization-in-germany/ https://ceinterim.com/deindustrialization-in-germany/
      - uecker 8mo ago
        Whether there is a real problem with high electricity was not the question, but whether it is caused by renewables vs. nuclear.
        UltraSane 8mo ago
        It is caused by a overall incredibly stupid energy policy.
        uecker 8mo ago
        Thanks for confirming my comment about the intellectual level of this debate.
UltraSane 8mo ago
Assuming that 23.4 cents is Euros then that is about 27 cents USD which is VERY expensive by US standards. Only 4 states are more expensive that that. Hawaii 41.55 $200/mo California 30.70 $155/mo Connecticut 30.63 $192/mo Rhode Island 28.12 $163/mo Cheapest residential states for electricity State Average Electricity Cost (¢) Average Monthly Bill Idaho 11.71 $110/mo North Dakota 11.79 $114/mo Nebraska 12.09 $119/mo Louisiana 12.29 $150/mo Utah 12.59 $96/mo

by ca1f 8mo ago

uecker 8mo ago

One should also point out that the household price is determined by many factors and does not reflect cost of generation.

quotemstr 8mo ago
Your energy prices are so high that century-old factories are shutting down and your export sector is collapsing. Yet you guys keep a (presumably) straight face while insisting that the truth is the opposite of what anyone with eyeballs can see. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
- uecker 8mo ago
  Sad is the low intellectual level of this discussion where people draw conclusions from insufficient understanding of the data (or more likely, they believe what they read somewhere without even looking at data - which I assume is the case for you - as you do not provide logical arguments and merely repeat the talking points from political discussions, which are worded to evoke an emotional reaction "dying century-old factories" "collapsing"). The prices households or industry pays are only indirectly related to the generation cost and a lot more with fees, so this is something to study. Also, if you compare to France, EDF was renationalized and now contributes to the relative high amount of government debt compared to GDP.
  - quotemstr 8mo ago
    LOL. The wonderful thing about reality is that it's deaf to this kind of motivated reasoning. Enjoy your lignite and industrial collapse. When you're shivering at night, your children can't get jobs, and your country has no voice in global affairs, you can console yourself with the idea you at least tried reduced global carbon emissions by 0.1%.
  - UltraSane 8mo ago
    It is a real problem and is being addressed Subsidised electricity price set at 5 euro cents per kWh until 2028 https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-coalition-agrees-subsidised-power-price-industry-2025-11-13/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/german-coalition-agr... Germany cuts costs for electricity-intensive companies from 1 January 2026: the new industrial electricity price https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-electricity-intensive-companies-1-january-2026-new-industrial-electricity-price https://www.gleisslutz.com/en/know-how/germany-cuts-costs-el... Are high electricity prices a threat to Germany's industry? https://www.dw.com/en/high-electricity-prices-a-threat-to-germanys-industry/a-71644198 https://www.dw.com/en/high-electricity-prices-a-threat-to-ge... Deindustrialization in Germany: Energy Costs Driving Industries Abroad https://ceinterim.com/deindustrialization-in-germany/ https://ceinterim.com/deindustrialization-in-germany/
    - uecker 8mo ago
      Whether there is a real problem with high electricity was not the question, but whether it is caused by renewables vs. nuclear.
      - UltraSane 8mo ago
        It is caused by a overall incredibly stupid energy policy.
        uecker 8mo ago
        Thanks for confirming my comment about the intellectual level of this debate.

UltraSane 8mo ago

Assuming that 23.4 cents is Euros then that is about 27 cents USD which is VERY expensive by US standards. Only 4 states are more expensive that that. Hawaii 41.55 $200/mo California 30.70 $155/mo Connecticut 30.63 $192/mo Rhode Island 28.12 $163/mo Cheapest residential states for electricity State Average Electricity Cost (¢) Average Monthly Bill Idaho 11.71 $110/mo North Dakota 11.79 $114/mo Nebraska 12.09 $119/mo Louisiana 12.29 $150/mo Utah 12.59 $96/mo