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What's the hard part?
by siscia 8mo ago
What's the hard part?
- noosphr 8mo agoNuclear build out, wires and transformers. China has been building 5% extra nuclear capacity every year for the last 30 years. On target for making up 24% of their energy mix in 2060.
- dalyons 8mo agoEverything I’ve read says their nuclear share is actually declining y/y, due to the crazy growth of renewables. I think that target is out of date?
- subroutine 8mo agoIf they build out wind and solar first then yes, the nuclear share will have declined year over year.
- dyauspitr 8mo agoDeclining because they’re building out everything else so rapidly. I believe they have 30+ reactors being actively constructed right now.
- dalyons 8mo agoSure, I’m just pointing out that 24% share of power being nuke by 2060 is never going to happen now. Renewables got too cheap, and it’s not “on target”
- noosphr 8mo agoIf I have zero wives yesterday and one today, by next week I will need a new house for all my new wives. Like I said in the original post: >Even the people who understand the scale don't understand the purpose. >The Chinese grid isn't renewable or non-renewable. It's built to keep the lights on for anything short of a thousand year catastrophe. Only capitalists are so penny wise and pound foolish to bet their civilization on the lowest bidder while hoping the inevitable doesn't happen in the next quarter.
- dalyons 8mo agoI agree with you, china is building risk mitigation in a way that no one else is, and it will serve them well. However, in this thread I’m solely replying to your comment on the “24% nuke by 2060” plan. That particular plan is not going to happen any more, nuclear is not competitive enough, even for china.
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- dyauspitr 8mo agoI disagree. They’re not going to go the battery energy storage route, instead they will just fill in intermittent gaps in renewable electricity production with nuclear as they ramp down coal.
- _aavaa_ 8mo agoBut where is the evidence to back up this 4D chess move? They have been failing to meet their nuclear roll out plans year after year? Why would they magically hit a ridiculously high goal of 24% by 2060?
- dyauspitr 8mo ago4D chess? This is not some memery. They’re essentially building out aiming for a 100% redundant capacity. Renewables and coal are much faster to build, nuclear takes longer (7 years for standardized ones, 10 for newer kinds).
- bobson381 8mo agoWeathering the knock-on effects of ecological overshoot, probably. It's going to be interesting.
- jacquesm 8mo agoClimate change, and having an abundance of energy allows a country to offset some of those challenges.
- phtrivier 8mo agoDemography. They're soon going to run out of "young" workers, which mean they have to invent the robotics of the 2100s to ensure the few remaining people will have machine to harvest crops and wage wars. Also, they're soon going to run out of women, so they need to perfect artificial wombs. The few remaining party elites will want to live practically forever, so biology will be on the programs once fusion and robots have been cracked. And it doesnot even seem like china will make ussr-level mistakes. Our only hope for beating China, at this point, would be to recreate an "opium wars" situation where the whole population becomes dumb and stop caring. (A bit like what tiktok and X are doing to use at the moment, but with much more social control.)
- komali2 8mo ago> Our only hope for beating China, at this point, would be to recreate an "opium wars" situation where the whole population becomes dumb and stop caring. (A bit like what tiktok and X are doing to use at the moment, but with much more social control.) Might be more accurate to say that the PRC has successfully done an opium wars situation to the USA with e.g. fentanyl precursors.