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Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every

by fgonzag 8mo ago

Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model providers depending on the task, they are going to have difficulty winning them back considering pricing and their locked down ecosystem. I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers.

whimsicalism 8mo ago
disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.
- behnamoh 8mo ago
  Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.
  - whimsicalism 8mo ago
    they do have a moat. opus is currently much better than every other model except maybe gpt-5.2
    - deaux 8mo ago
      At using tools, sure. If Gemini 3 Pro GA is good at tool use, the moat is gone.
Scarbutt 8mo ago
a local ai workstation Peak HN comment
oblio 8mo ago
> I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers. You went from a 5 minute signup (and 20-200 bucks per month) to probably weeks of research (or prior experience setting up workstations) and probably days of setup. Also probably a few thousand bucks in hardware. I mean, that's great, but tech companies are a thing because convenience is a thing.
- falloutx 8mo ago
  On opencode you can use models which are free for unlimited use and you can pick models which only cost like $15 a month for unlimited use.
  - oblio 8mo ago
    OP mentioned a local LLM rig plus a rather complex setup from what I understood (I could be wrong). Also, most of the lower end models aren't that good. At this point you can take an experienced dev and start implementing an app using any mature stack (I'm talking even about stuff like Ada, so not just C/C++, JS, etc) on any mainstream platform (big 3 desktop + big 2 mobile + web) and you can get quite far with Claude Code. By far I mean you'll at least do the 80% really quickly, at which point the "experienced dev" needs to take over. I think you can even get 95% of the way there. And that's with a stack that the dev is unfamiliar with at the start.
    - falloutx 8mo ago
      Claude code has aggressive limits on $18/month plan. You can get much farther with Minimax 2.1 or Qwen3 on the same amount of money. I have noticed opus is much better in some scenarios but Minimax and Q3 are not as bad or behind. Or my setup is now too used to the quirks of those models, who knows. I am using Claude Haiku as small model anyway, just not using Opus because it burns credits very quickly.

by fgonzag 8mo ago

whimsicalism 8mo ago

disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.

behnamoh 8mo ago
Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.
- whimsicalism 8mo ago
  they do have a moat. opus is currently much better than every other model except maybe gpt-5.2
  - deaux 8mo ago
    At using tools, sure. If Gemini 3 Pro GA is good at tool use, the moat is gone.

Scarbutt 8mo ago

a local ai workstation Peak HN comment

oblio 8mo ago

> I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers. You went from a 5 minute signup (and 20-200 bucks per month) to probably weeks of research (or prior experience setting up workstations) and probably days of setup. Also probably a few thousand bucks in hardware. I mean, that's great, but tech companies are a thing because convenience is a thing.

falloutx 8mo ago
On opencode you can use models which are free for unlimited use and you can pick models which only cost like $15 a month for unlimited use.
- oblio 8mo ago
  OP mentioned a local LLM rig plus a rather complex setup from what I understood (I could be wrong). Also, most of the lower end models aren't that good. At this point you can take an experienced dev and start implementing an app using any mature stack (I'm talking even about stuff like Ada, so not just C/C++, JS, etc) on any mainstream platform (big 3 desktop + big 2 mobile + web) and you can get quite far with Claude Code. By far I mean you'll at least do the 80% really quickly, at which point the "experienced dev" needs to take over. I think you can even get 95% of the way there. And that's with a stack that the dev is unfamiliar with at the start.
  - falloutx 8mo ago
    Claude code has aggressive limits on $18/month plan. You can get much farther with Minimax 2.1 or Qwen3 on the same amount of money. I have noticed opus is much better in some scenarios but Minimax and Q3 are not as bad or behind. Or my setup is now too used to the quirks of those models, who knows. I am using Claude Haiku as small model anyway, just not using Opus because it burns credits very quickly.