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For those who've been tracking the Oh My OpenCode and Anthropic fight.

by deckardt 8mo ago

mapontosevenths 8mo ago
Do you have a link to some background? I'm curious why it was banned.
- cadamsdotcom 8mo ago
  They banned it because it’s the current way tech companies are expected to operate.
  - mapontosevenths 8mo ago
    It sounds pretty reasonable to me that they sell a subscription without API access at a different price than the one with that feature. It's obviously a very useful feature or the workaround wouldn't exist, right? To me it sounds like the CLI subscription is a loss-leader designed to get you hooked so you'll upgrade once you realize it's valuable enough to pay extra for the "premium" features. It also sounds pretty reasonable to ban products designed to cheat them out of the difference in cost. Am I missing some nuance, or is this just internet people being cheap?
    - vessenes 8mo ago
      The cli subscription actually actively cannibalizes the API business in my experience. I think this is a product decision: if you use it to code, they want to control the user experience. If you use it to back up 100,000 MAUs, then they want you to use the API. I was originally an API user but the cli subscription is so much cheaper that I switched over. This is a combination of th CLI getting much more useful and reasoning models using many more tokens.
    - azuanrb 8mo ago
      Comparing this to API access feels odd to me. Opencode does not magically convert your subscription into API usage. It is just an alternative to the official CLI. It has a web UI, smoother UX, and less flickering. Nothing groundbreaking, but it is pretty annoying that even something as simple as tagging files with @ is still so laggy.
      - HumanOstrich 8mo ago
        How do you think Claude Code and OpenCode communicate with Anthropic? Through the API. Maybe it's accessed slightly differently for subscription users. Anthropic is saying you can't use the API via a subscription anywhere you want. Only Claude Code can use it that way.
        mapontosevenths 8mo ago
        OpenCode doesnt use the official API. It illegally bypasses it and pretends to be the Claude CLI app, which allows people who dont pay for API access to use it anyhow. That violates Anthropics TOS and robs them of income they rightfully should have had. If you dont like a service or cant afford it dont use it. If you do and you can, be a paying customer.
        HumanOstrich 8mo ago
        You just repeated what I said in a different way. It is accessed differently, but it's still going to go through the same APIs at Anthropic. Maybe they have some differences or use different endpoints, but Anthropic didn't duplicate their entire business for CC vs official API users. Edit: I appreciate the reply that we're probably on the same page.
        mapontosevenths 8mo ago
        You're right. Sorry about that. I misread your original comment. I think we are making the same point here.
- doodlesdev 8mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46549823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46549823
deaux 8mo ago
That has really been the "OpenCode and Anthropic" fight, OMO is still a tiny player compared to all OpenCode (and other such clients) usage.

For those who've been tracking the Oh My OpenCode and Anthropic fight.

mapontosevenths 8mo ago

Do you have a link to some background? I'm curious why it was banned.

cadamsdotcom 8mo ago
They banned it because it’s the current way tech companies are expected to operate.
- mapontosevenths 8mo ago
  It sounds pretty reasonable to me that they sell a subscription without API access at a different price than the one with that feature. It's obviously a very useful feature or the workaround wouldn't exist, right? To me it sounds like the CLI subscription is a loss-leader designed to get you hooked so you'll upgrade once you realize it's valuable enough to pay extra for the "premium" features. It also sounds pretty reasonable to ban products designed to cheat them out of the difference in cost. Am I missing some nuance, or is this just internet people being cheap?
  - vessenes 8mo ago
    The cli subscription actually actively cannibalizes the API business in my experience. I think this is a product decision: if you use it to code, they want to control the user experience. If you use it to back up 100,000 MAUs, then they want you to use the API. I was originally an API user but the cli subscription is so much cheaper that I switched over. This is a combination of th CLI getting much more useful and reasoning models using many more tokens.
  - azuanrb 8mo ago
    Comparing this to API access feels odd to me. Opencode does not magically convert your subscription into API usage. It is just an alternative to the official CLI. It has a web UI, smoother UX, and less flickering. Nothing groundbreaking, but it is pretty annoying that even something as simple as tagging files with @ is still so laggy.
    - HumanOstrich 8mo ago
      How do you think Claude Code and OpenCode communicate with Anthropic? Through the API. Maybe it's accessed slightly differently for subscription users. Anthropic is saying you can't use the API via a subscription anywhere you want. Only Claude Code can use it that way.
      - mapontosevenths 8mo ago
        OpenCode doesnt use the official API. It illegally bypasses it and pretends to be the Claude CLI app, which allows people who dont pay for API access to use it anyhow. That violates Anthropics TOS and robs them of income they rightfully should have had. If you dont like a service or cant afford it dont use it. If you do and you can, be a paying customer.
        HumanOstrich 8mo ago
        You just repeated what I said in a different way. It is accessed differently, but it's still going to go through the same APIs at Anthropic. Maybe they have some differences or use different endpoints, but Anthropic didn't duplicate their entire business for CC vs official API users. Edit: I appreciate the reply that we're probably on the same page.
        mapontosevenths 8mo ago
        You're right. Sorry about that. I misread your original comment. I think we are making the same point here.
doodlesdev 8mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46549823 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46549823

deaux 8mo ago

That has really been the "OpenCode and Anthropic" fight, OMO is still a tiny player compared to all OpenCode (and other such clients) usage.