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The CUII does not need a verdict to enact censorship. Make of that what you will.

jacquesm 8mo ago
The police doesn't need a verdict to issue you a fine either. But you can challenge your fine (and your block) in court.
- bonzini 8mo ago
  Challenging the IP bans in Italy is stupidly hard. Your VM gets an IP address that was used a few months ago for soccer piracy? Too bad, you won't be able to access it from Italy.
  - immibis 8mo ago
    Surely there's some EU trade barriers law about that
- selfmodruntime 8mo ago
  Are you really countering an argument against censorship by a power abusing entity with another group famous for power abuse?
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    No.
- nkmnz 8mo ago
  1. CCUI isn't even a government body 2. parent comment is wrong, CCUI is requiring court action by their members before they act. 3. I rather have companies competing under market pressure to find solutions to topics like copyright infringement than the German state (once again) creating massive surveillance laws and technical infrastructure for their enforcement in -house.
  - selfmodruntime 8mo ago
    2 is wrong. The CUII even blocks political activists because they dare to post their entire blocklist [1] [1]: https://lina.sh/blog/telefonica-sabotages-me https://lina.sh/blog/telefonica-sabotages-me
    - waffleiron 8mo ago
      Read the post, they never blocked the activist. They just changed what they replied to a DNS query of an already blocked site to make it harder to detect.
    - nkmnz 8mo ago
      1. Article you've shared is from 2025-02-26 2. New rules have been in place from 2025-07 3. The author hasn't been blocked at all. You're either a liar or you cannot read.
- SkiFire13 8mo ago
  A fine doesn't cause immediate harm as you don't have to immediately pay it while you challenge it in court, having your IP or website blocked happens immediately and will continue harming you until it's decreted that it wasn't lawful.
  - jacquesm 8mo ago
    That depends on the country you are in. In some countries you have to pay anyway and then you get it back if you win the court case. And they're banking on you not challenging the fine because the fees for the court case will exceed the fine so you lose either way.

The police doesn't need a verdict to issue you a fine either. But you can challenge your fine (and your block) in court.

bonzini 8mo ago
Challenging the IP bans in Italy is stupidly hard. Your VM gets an IP address that was used a few months ago for soccer piracy? Too bad, you won't be able to access it from Italy.
- immibis 8mo ago
  Surely there's some EU trade barriers law about that
selfmodruntime 8mo ago
Are you really countering an argument against censorship by a power abusing entity with another group famous for power abuse?
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  No.
nkmnz 8mo ago
1. CCUI isn't even a government body 2. parent comment is wrong, CCUI is requiring court action by their members before they act. 3. I rather have companies competing under market pressure to find solutions to topics like copyright infringement than the German state (once again) creating massive surveillance laws and technical infrastructure for their enforcement in -house.
- selfmodruntime 8mo ago
  2 is wrong. The CUII even blocks political activists because they dare to post their entire blocklist [1] [1]: https://lina.sh/blog/telefonica-sabotages-me https://lina.sh/blog/telefonica-sabotages-me
  - waffleiron 8mo ago
    Read the post, they never blocked the activist. They just changed what they replied to a DNS query of an already blocked site to make it harder to detect.
  - nkmnz 8mo ago
    1. Article you've shared is from 2025-02-26 2. New rules have been in place from 2025-07 3. The author hasn't been blocked at all. You're either a liar or you cannot read.
SkiFire13 8mo ago
A fine doesn't cause immediate harm as you don't have to immediately pay it while you challenge it in court, having your IP or website blocked happens immediately and will continue harming you until it's decreted that it wasn't lawful.
- jacquesm 8mo ago
  That depends on the country you are in. In some countries you have to pay anyway and then you get it back if you win the court case. And they're banking on you not challenging the fine because the fees for the court case will exceed the fine so you lose either way.