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I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skil

I think anyone working with the global talent can tell you there are absolutely no controls around measuring their quality. The skilled talent simply isn't skilled at all. They are willing to engage in kickback schemes. Even the O1 "genius" visa is being given to onlyfans models. Immigration is completely broken and it's by design.

leptons 8mo ago
Your take only applies to recent developments. For the entirety of the H visa program, it has brought in very valuable talent, which stayed here to generate incredible wealth for the country. "onlyfans" is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing. Sure immigration is broken, but that's what happens when the government is intent on breaking the country.
- seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
  Onlyfans is a recent thing, but the First Lady had an EB-1 Einstein visa when she was posing for…interesting photos.
  - omnimus 8mo ago
    The fact that these visas are abused by people in power is completely different and in the end minor issue. I would bet vast majority of EB-1 are pretty out of the ordinary. This is just derailing the discussion. Visas for privileged individuals bad = immigration bad.
  - Muromec 8mo ago
    You mistyped Epstein visa
- _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
  The H visa program has been heavily exploited since the 1990s when I started in tech. By recent do you mean 26 years?
  - leptons 8mo ago
    Was the visa program being exploited by Onlyfans models and "influencers" in the 1990's? Because that is what is being talked about here.
    - _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
      Your statements such as "only applies to recent development" "For the entirety of the H visa program" "is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing." expand the conversation scope to responding to what you state, and for me to say that in fact what you are claiming is incorrect.
- calculatte 8mo ago
  Well you are right about one thing. Government is intent on breaking the country. But rampant immigration immigration fraud and abuse has been around for decades.
SilverElfin 8mo ago
Who are you to claim the talent isn’t skilled at all? Maybe you’re the unskilled, unemployed one who is now asking the rest of us for a protectionist tariff to save your employability. The business owners who are hiring these people are making the choices that are the best for their business, and they’re judging the quality. It’s their money, and they’re betting with it - and confidently too. But let’s assume you’re right. Even if 90% of them were unskilled, the other 10% is still incredibly valuable for the American economy and taxpayers. And it’s not even a difficult decision. That “loss” is tiny compared to the extreme benefit we receive, that literally NO other country on the planet can replicate. Unless we give it away, like you’re proposing to do.
- itake 8mo ago
  I think the US should prioritize training permanent residence over temporary residents that may take their skills (and wealth) back to their home country. If the h1b program was a perm residence visa, then your argument holds water. When they return home, they will take their 15 years of experience and offshore their capital. Whereas if a perm resident had that same job, they would keep their money invested in American businesses (and real estate). If our goal is to brain drain the world, lets replace the h1b visa program with a program with a clear attainable path to perm residency.
  - arjie 8mo ago
    The H1B is dual intent. I was on one and now I’m here on a green card. Totally normal. The H1B has a clear path to application for permanent residency but permanent residency doesn’t have a clear path from application to completion because of the birth country caps. You have to ask yourself what other implicit objectives you have because as it stands, raising the green card employment-based cap and raising the per-country cap would get you want immediately.
    - itake 8mo ago
      I think it would help, but we could still be better. As an America living in southeast with ~40 years of life to plan for, I face the similar issue of: which country can I feel can be a 'safe' home for me to live in? If Vietnam had a f1 -> h1b system (and no country caps), I would still not feel safe to call Vietnam my home. - The h1b is a lottery. I could work my butt off and still just be unlucky. - H1b is tied to employment. If I lost my job due to economic situations, poor politics, or personal health issues, I have 60d to find a new job or buy airplane tickets to leave.
mattnewton 8mo ago
This is what I am getting at; the system is bringing skilled immigrants with some unskilled and some abuse, the baby and the bathwater. We should be focused on keeping that skilled immigration flowing, instead all these attempts are presupposing that all immigration is inherently harmful.

leptons 8mo ago

Your take only applies to recent developments. For the entirety of the H visa program, it has brought in very valuable talent, which stayed here to generate incredible wealth for the country. "onlyfans" is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing. Sure immigration is broken, but that's what happens when the government is intent on breaking the country.

seanmcdirmid 8mo ago
Onlyfans is a recent thing, but the First Lady had an EB-1 Einstein visa when she was posing for…interesting photos.
- omnimus 8mo ago
  The fact that these visas are abused by people in power is completely different and in the end minor issue. I would bet vast majority of EB-1 are pretty out of the ordinary. This is just derailing the discussion. Visas for privileged individuals bad = immigration bad.
- Muromec 8mo ago
  You mistyped Epstein visa
_DeadFred_ 8mo ago
The H visa program has been heavily exploited since the 1990s when I started in tech. By recent do you mean 26 years?
- leptons 8mo ago
  Was the visa program being exploited by Onlyfans models and "influencers" in the 1990's? Because that is what is being talked about here.
  - _DeadFred_ 8mo ago
    Your statements such as "only applies to recent development" "For the entirety of the H visa program" "is a recent thing. The kickbacks are a relatively new thing." expand the conversation scope to responding to what you state, and for me to say that in fact what you are claiming is incorrect.
calculatte 8mo ago
Well you are right about one thing. Government is intent on breaking the country. But rampant immigration immigration fraud and abuse has been around for decades.

SilverElfin 8mo ago

Who are you to claim the talent isn’t skilled at all? Maybe you’re the unskilled, unemployed one who is now asking the rest of us for a protectionist tariff to save your employability. The business owners who are hiring these people are making the choices that are the best for their business, and they’re judging the quality. It’s their money, and they’re betting with it - and confidently too. But let’s assume you’re right. Even if 90% of them were unskilled, the other 10% is still incredibly valuable for the American economy and taxpayers. And it’s not even a difficult decision. That “loss” is tiny compared to the extreme benefit we receive, that literally NO other country on the planet can replicate. Unless we give it away, like you’re proposing to do.

itake 8mo ago
I think the US should prioritize training permanent residence over temporary residents that may take their skills (and wealth) back to their home country. If the h1b program was a perm residence visa, then your argument holds water. When they return home, they will take their 15 years of experience and offshore their capital. Whereas if a perm resident had that same job, they would keep their money invested in American businesses (and real estate). If our goal is to brain drain the world, lets replace the h1b visa program with a program with a clear attainable path to perm residency.
- arjie 8mo ago
  The H1B is dual intent. I was on one and now I’m here on a green card. Totally normal. The H1B has a clear path to application for permanent residency but permanent residency doesn’t have a clear path from application to completion because of the birth country caps. You have to ask yourself what other implicit objectives you have because as it stands, raising the green card employment-based cap and raising the per-country cap would get you want immediately.
  - itake 8mo ago
    I think it would help, but we could still be better. As an America living in southeast with ~40 years of life to plan for, I face the similar issue of: which country can I feel can be a 'safe' home for me to live in? If Vietnam had a f1 -> h1b system (and no country caps), I would still not feel safe to call Vietnam my home. - The h1b is a lottery. I could work my butt off and still just be unlucky. - H1b is tied to employment. If I lost my job due to economic situations, poor politics, or personal health issues, I have 60d to find a new job or buy airplane tickets to leave.

mattnewton 8mo ago

This is what I am getting at; the system is bringing skilled immigrants with some unskilled and some abuse, the baby and the bathwater. We should be focused on keeping that skilled immigration flowing, instead all these attempts are presupposing that all immigration is inherently harmful.