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I'm going to channel a little bit of @patio11 . First, worth reading this on how he deals with credit agencies and debt collectors: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2

I'm going to channel a little bit of @patio11 . First, worth reading this on how he deals with credit agencies and debt collectors: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-reports/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-r... . There's gold in here for dealing with big globo-corp and how to get their attention. Ask Google for a certified mail address so you can send them the timeline of events that occurred. This is the shibboleth that lets them know you mean business and that by not responding, they may be facing legal action. DO NOT THREATEN or mention legal action. The managerial class doesn't act that way. Just signal you are building a case against them. Start with getting that certified mailing address... you may be surprised how they respond after just that request. If they don't respond, keep following up. Send them a timeline of events, proof of ownership even if they do not ask you what you need to prove ownership. Make it clear what this is costing you. But here's the thing, EVERY TIME I HAVE ASKED FOR A CERTIFIED MAIL ADDRESS, the globocorp gave me what i wanted, and I never had to follow up. Every time. They don't want to deal with actual legal action from "people who know what they are doing." It's a shibboleth. Like "Baa-ram-ewe." Use it wisely and honestly.

shermantanktop 9mo ago
Wow, that's a great read. Bookmarking and sending to others. He points out how expressing all the natural human reactions - anger, fear, supplication, bargaining - tell the institution that you are a vulnerable, manipulable moron. The implacable robot that knows the process but doesn't care is what gets results.
lelanthran 8mo ago
Okay, what is the next step if you ask for a certified mailing address/summons delivery and they repeatedly ignore you? It seems to me that without know that, you're still making empty threats, only doing it passive aggressively.
- kelnos 8mo ago
  You sue them. Depending on the circumstances, you may be able to do so in small claims court, which is pretty inexpensive to do. Google cannot bring their usual insane level of legal resources to bear in this environment, and you will most likely win.
  - lelanthran 8mo ago
    > You sue them. I'm a little confused here - you sue them, in small claims court, for not providing a service address? How do you serve them without an address, for a claim of not providing an address? I mean, I know what happens when I appear in court as the applicant/plaintiff, and tell the judge that the respondent/defendant was never served. Okay, lets say the judge doesn't laugh my case out at that - how is my claim going to proceed? "I claim $X monies for not supplying me with their service address"? (My understanding is that, by not providing a service address, all you can do is report them to specific bureaus, arbitration councils, etc. You cannot sue businesses, as far as I know, for not having or not providing a service address).
    - franciscop 8mo ago
      AFAIK them not providing an address is not the main point, it's them not collaborating on your case for a copyright infringement. The not providing an address is just more evidence of them not following on their responsibilities regarding the copyright infringement.
    - icepush 8mo ago
      If you are in the US you can look up their official service address through the secretary of state for the state that you will be filing the lawsuit in. There is never a need for them to specifically provide you an official address.
      - qingcharles 8mo ago
        And if you're filing a state case, and you know which county they are in, call the Sheriff. Every Sheriff's office deals with legal service on a routine basis. I've paid the Sheriff many times for serving complaints.
- armchairhacker 8mo ago
  Bring the paper trail to, if not a lawyer, your state's attorney general or consumer protection office.
- icepush 8mo ago
  Their service mailing address is public record that you can just look up. You do not need anyone to send it to you.
Dansvidania 8mo ago
from the article in the link > Where exactly should I address letters? > Google is your friend. considering the context, I found it amusing.
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shermantanktop 9mo ago

Wow, that's a great read. Bookmarking and sending to others. He points out how expressing all the natural human reactions - anger, fear, supplication, bargaining - tell the institution that you are a vulnerable, manipulable moron. The implacable robot that knows the process but doesn't care is what gets results.

lelanthran 8mo ago

Okay, what is the next step if you ask for a certified mailing address/summons delivery and they repeatedly ignore you? It seems to me that without know that, you're still making empty threats, only doing it passive aggressively.

kelnos 8mo ago
You sue them. Depending on the circumstances, you may be able to do so in small claims court, which is pretty inexpensive to do. Google cannot bring their usual insane level of legal resources to bear in this environment, and you will most likely win.
- lelanthran 8mo ago
  > You sue them. I'm a little confused here - you sue them, in small claims court, for not providing a service address? How do you serve them without an address, for a claim of not providing an address? I mean, I know what happens when I appear in court as the applicant/plaintiff, and tell the judge that the respondent/defendant was never served. Okay, lets say the judge doesn't laugh my case out at that - how is my claim going to proceed? "I claim $X monies for not supplying me with their service address"? (My understanding is that, by not providing a service address, all you can do is report them to specific bureaus, arbitration councils, etc. You cannot sue businesses, as far as I know, for not having or not providing a service address).
  - franciscop 8mo ago
    AFAIK them not providing an address is not the main point, it's them not collaborating on your case for a copyright infringement. The not providing an address is just more evidence of them not following on their responsibilities regarding the copyright infringement.
  - icepush 8mo ago
    If you are in the US you can look up their official service address through the secretary of state for the state that you will be filing the lawsuit in. There is never a need for them to specifically provide you an official address.
    - qingcharles 8mo ago
      And if you're filing a state case, and you know which county they are in, call the Sheriff. Every Sheriff's office deals with legal service on a routine basis. I've paid the Sheriff many times for serving complaints.
armchairhacker 8mo ago
Bring the paper trail to, if not a lawyer, your state's attorney general or consumer protection office.
icepush 8mo ago
Their service mailing address is public record that you can just look up. You do not need anyone to send it to you.

Dansvidania 8mo ago

from the article in the link > Where exactly should I address letters? > Google is your friend. considering the context, I found it amusing.

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