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You made the exact point of the parent comment. Everyone remembers the bad ones only. What about Germany and Japan after WWII? What about South Korea?

by gretch 9mo ago

throwaway1389z 9mo ago
The intervention in those countries wasn't explicitly for oil. And do you wonder why do you have to go so far back?
- gretch 9mo ago
  > And do you wonder why do you have to go so far back? I'm wondering why you don't think they count.
  - throwaway1389z 9mo ago
    Relevance is relative. In the presence of more similar experiments, only with pure dogma or dishonesty that one can opt to infer the outcome based on far less similar and even less contemporaneous experiments.
  - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
    Newer information should cause you to update your Bayesian priors formed with older information.
LastTrain 9mo ago
Because those things aren’t comparable to this.
schmichael 9mo ago
Germany was a split country for 50 years. Korea is still a split country. I guess I have to give you Japan, although now you could say "clearly the solution is nukes" if you're just going blindly on data. Even if you think it's going to go well this time, you have to admit this sort of thing does not have a good track record.
- throwaway1389z 9mo ago
  Germany is still split in so many ways. Just look at any map of demographics, pension, income, anything "social/society scale", the borders are clearly there still, somehow.
  - jacquesm 9mo ago
    Indeed, and not just on maps. If you drive through Germany on secondary roads the border is as visible as it ever was.
  - Jolter 9mo ago
    So you admit it didn’t go smoothly.
johnnyanmac 9mo ago
The US did not care at all about Japan had all kinds of nazi clubs in the country. It only gave a damn from Japan to retaliate against it... And let's not pretend it became all sunshine and rainbows for Japan post WW2. Internment camps. No standing military. Huge cultural disruption. SK who remembers the war doesn't have the best opinion of the US either. They essentially pulled out and did a half assed job. Who's even to say that a communist Korea wouldn't have been the best long term plan? It might have destabilized faster than what we know today as North Korea.
Epa095 9mo ago
So you think USA will go into Venezuela and do a complete takeover, rewrite it's constitution, and have troops there for 50 years to enforce the new order?

You made the exact point of the parent comment. Everyone remembers the bad ones only. What about Germany and Japan after WWII? What about South Korea?

by gretch 9mo ago

You made the exact point of the parent comment. Everyone remembers the bad ones only. What about Germany and Japan after WWII? What about South Korea?

throwaway1389z 9mo ago

The intervention in those countries wasn't explicitly for oil. And do you wonder why do you have to go so far back?

gretch 9mo ago
> And do you wonder why do you have to go so far back? I'm wondering why you don't think they count.
- throwaway1389z 9mo ago
  Relevance is relative. In the presence of more similar experiments, only with pure dogma or dishonesty that one can opt to infer the outcome based on far less similar and even less contemporaneous experiments.
- ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
  Newer information should cause you to update your Bayesian priors formed with older information.

LastTrain 9mo ago

Because those things aren’t comparable to this.

schmichael 9mo ago

Germany was a split country for 50 years. Korea is still a split country. I guess I have to give you Japan, although now you could say "clearly the solution is nukes" if you're just going blindly on data. Even if you think it's going to go well this time, you have to admit this sort of thing does not have a good track record.

throwaway1389z 9mo ago
Germany is still split in so many ways. Just look at any map of demographics, pension, income, anything "social/society scale", the borders are clearly there still, somehow.
- jacquesm 9mo ago
  Indeed, and not just on maps. If you drive through Germany on secondary roads the border is as visible as it ever was.
- Jolter 9mo ago
  So you admit it didn’t go smoothly.

johnnyanmac 9mo ago

The US did not care at all about Japan had all kinds of nazi clubs in the country. It only gave a damn from Japan to retaliate against it... And let's not pretend it became all sunshine and rainbows for Japan post WW2. Internment camps. No standing military. Huge cultural disruption. SK who remembers the war doesn't have the best opinion of the US either. They essentially pulled out and did a half assed job. Who's even to say that a communist Korea wouldn't have been the best long term plan? It might have destabilized faster than what we know today as North Korea.

Epa095 9mo ago

So you think USA will go into Venezuela and do a complete takeover, rewrite it's constitution, and have troops there for 50 years to enforce the new order?