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Why people are mad at Framework

17 points by Shock9889 9mo ago

immibis 9mo ago
Huge yikes from Framework.
- majorchord 9mo ago
  It is OK to separate yourself from a group when you deeply disagree with their actions, no matter how insignificant it might seem to a different group of people. However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again. I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
- throwawaypath 9mo ago
  Huge cringe from leftists.
damnitbuilds 9mo ago
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ranger_danger 9mo ago
I'm a lot more upset that so many people let Linus Torvalds continue to get away with his abusive attitude still to this day (who just recently called the SFC "pure trash"), than a right-to-repair company that transparently gives money away.
faidit 9mo ago
They're overpriced, gimmicky laptops anyway. Thought about getting one last month, really glad I noped out now. The only discrete GPU they sell with is woefully underpowered for gfx-intensive operations. You can get a 5090 laptop for less money.. or two functionally identical laptops for about the same price. Lots of people complaining about various issues with them like build quality also. The repairability selling point depends on them staying in business to sell replacement parts. I might consider paying extra if they seemed cool and dependable. But if they're throwing money at unprofessional, bigoted a-holes, forget it.
oldpersonintx2 9mo ago
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kachapopopow 9mo ago
People are extremist on both sides and I'd argue people being upset over this are being more extreme than that. Never force your opinion upon someone else and nobody will ever dislike you, they might not want to be around you - but they will never dislike you.
- ranger_danger 9mo ago
  Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now... I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all.
  - imiric 9mo ago
    > Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now... So sharing one's opinion is forcing it on others? That's silly. > I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all. I agree. But why is that a problem? Why are we so culturally obsessed about being liked? This seems like a real-world manifestation of virtual "likes" we're used to from social media. Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you, or even explicitly says so. Let alone if they're a stranger with zero influence on your reality. Nothing happens if you're offended.[1] The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbsHox73mRo?t=202 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbsHox73mRo?t=202
    - ranger_danger 9mo ago
      If you share it in such a matter-of-fact, black-and-white manner, I do think it's an attempt to force it as the only way to see a particular issue, which is what I take issue with. There are so many confidently-wrong people in the world, I don't know why people got so used to acting like there can never be any other valid perspectives. > Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you Hard disagree, people have been killed just because they were disliked or offended, even if they appear to be a "stranger with zero influence on your reality." > The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society. I think it's because it does actually happen. I was almost punched yesterday just because I parked next to a guy. He was upset I didn't park "literally anywhere else" and was clearly embarrassing his wife and kids by hurling slurs at someone for absolutely no good reason at all.
henearkr 9mo ago
Rather than "people", it would be more correct to say "some people" are mad at FW. I'm pro-LGBT+ ("ally"), pro-DEI, ecologist, anything left you name it I'd say, and I'm not mad at FW. I did not know about this story, neither about Omarchy or DHH, neither even about Hyprland (I don't use Wayland). And I think that none of those stuff really matter a lot...
notpachet 9mo ago
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pella 9mo ago
https://frame.work/hu/en/blog/framework-sponsorships https://frame.work/hu/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Mr_Eri_Atlov 9mo ago
Wasn't this something that happened in October?

17 points by Shock9889 9mo ago

immibis 9mo ago

Huge yikes from Framework.

majorchord 9mo ago
It is OK to separate yourself from a group when you deeply disagree with their actions, no matter how insignificant it might seem to a different group of people. However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again. I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
throwawaypath 9mo ago
Huge cringe from leftists.

damnitbuilds 9mo ago

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ranger_danger 9mo ago

I'm a lot more upset that so many people let Linus Torvalds continue to get away with his abusive attitude still to this day (who just recently called the SFC "pure trash"), than a right-to-repair company that transparently gives money away.

faidit 9mo ago

They're overpriced, gimmicky laptops anyway. Thought about getting one last month, really glad I noped out now. The only discrete GPU they sell with is woefully underpowered for gfx-intensive operations. You can get a 5090 laptop for less money.. or two functionally identical laptops for about the same price. Lots of people complaining about various issues with them like build quality also. The repairability selling point depends on them staying in business to sell replacement parts. I might consider paying extra if they seemed cool and dependable. But if they're throwing money at unprofessional, bigoted a-holes, forget it.

oldpersonintx2 9mo ago

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kachapopopow 9mo ago

People are extremist on both sides and I'd argue people being upset over this are being more extreme than that. Never force your opinion upon someone else and nobody will ever dislike you, they might not want to be around you - but they will never dislike you.

ranger_danger 9mo ago
Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now... I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all.
- imiric 9mo ago
  > Sounds to me like you're trying to force your opinion on us right now... So sharing one's opinion is forcing it on others? That's silly. > I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all. I agree. But why is that a problem? Why are we so culturally obsessed about being liked? This seems like a real-world manifestation of virtual "likes" we're used to from social media. Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you, or even explicitly says so. Let alone if they're a stranger with zero influence on your reality. Nothing happens if you're offended.[1] The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbsHox73mRo?t=202 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbsHox73mRo?t=202
  - ranger_danger 9mo ago
    If you share it in such a matter-of-fact, black-and-white manner, I do think it's an attempt to force it as the only way to see a particular issue, which is what I take issue with. There are so many confidently-wrong people in the world, I don't know why people got so used to acting like there can never be any other valid perspectives. > Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you Hard disagree, people have been killed just because they were disliked or offended, even if they appear to be a "stranger with zero influence on your reality." > The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society. I think it's because it does actually happen. I was almost punched yesterday just because I parked next to a guy. He was upset I didn't park "literally anywhere else" and was clearly embarrassing his wife and kids by hurling slurs at someone for absolutely no good reason at all.

henearkr 9mo ago

Rather than "people", it would be more correct to say "some people" are mad at FW. I'm pro-LGBT+ ("ally"), pro-DEI, ecologist, anything left you name it I'd say, and I'm not mad at FW. I did not know about this story, neither about Omarchy or DHH, neither even about Hyprland (I don't use Wayland). And I think that none of those stuff really matter a lot...

notpachet 9mo ago

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pella 9mo ago

https://frame.work/hu/en/blog/framework-sponsorships https://frame.work/hu/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

Mr_Eri_Atlov 9mo ago

Wasn't this something that happened in October?