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If it's so easy, why haven't you done it?

by coolestguy 9mo ago

ceejayoz 9mo ago
Because luck plays a very significant role.
- billy99k 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    Aww, you did the meme! https://lol.i.trollyou.com/ https://lol.i.trollyou.com/
  - croon 9mo ago
    Just because luck plays a part in everything does not make it moot. Set up two identical agents in a game with rules guaranteeing a winner, and you will end up with one loser being equal to the winner. I agree that CEO positions in aggregate are likely generally filled by people better at "CEOing", but there is nothing ruling out "losers" who were equally skilled or even better that just didn't make it due to luck or any of the innumerable factors playing into life.
- viraptor 9mo ago
  That and having enough millions in the first place to meet with the right people and get/buy a position helps.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    As the Rick & Morty quote goes, "that just sounds like luck with extra steps".
    - Natfan 9mo ago
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  - guywithahat 9mo ago
    To Elon's credit he didn't start out with millions
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      Just a well off white politician as a father during South African apartheid.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 9mo ago
        In Errol Musk's political career, he was a city councillor and member of an opposition party. So, while true, this is minor league. His business ventures appear to be more relevant to his wealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk#Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk#Career
- lijok 9mo ago
  Attributing something to luck sounds like a lazy cop out, sorry. We just had an article on the front page yesterday about “increasing your luck”. If you need to be lucky in meeting the right people, you can increase your chances by spending your evenings in the your nearest financial district watering hole. We’ve easily established luck can be controlled for, which puts us back into skill territory. What specifically must one luck out on? Have you tried?
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    > Attributing something to luck sounds like a lazy cop out, sorry. Everyone one of us here has an unbroken line of lucky (lucky enough!) ancestors stretching back a billion years or so. Pretending it's not a thing is silly. When you're born matters. Where you're born matters. Who you encounter matters. etc. etc. etc. > What specifically must one luck out on? Have you tried? I think perhaps we have different definitions of luck.
    - lijok 9mo ago
      No, I think we have a similar definition of luck, but I think you’ve succumbed to a defeatist attitude. You have to be pretty unlucky to be permanently locked out of becoming a CEO, and if you’re dealt those cards, moaning about it on an online forum would be way down in your list of priorities.
      - ceejayoz 9mo ago
        > You have to be pretty unlucky to be permanently locked out of becoming a CEO… Sure, but that's not what's being asserted. I am not "permanently locked out" of megacorp CEO roles; I'm just vanishingly unlikely to get one. There are lots of people who have enough singing/dancing skill to be a mega popstar like Taylor Swift. There just aren't enough slots. Could I become the next Steve Jobs? Maybe! I'd have to get really lucky.
        satvikpendem 9mo ago
        No one said anything about megacorps though, just CEOs.
- refurb 9mo ago
  But the dice gets rolled for everyone and clearly success isn’t randomly distributed. So what does that tell you? It must be luck plus something else.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    > It must be luck plus something else. That is why I said “significant role”, not “the only requirement”, yes.
    - refurb 9mo ago
      In science we have the idea of background noise - a random signal that is always there is random fashion. And what is typically done is you ignore it. It’s always there, it’s random, and it applies to all samples. Same with luck and success. You can control luck, so you focus on what’s left.
machomaster 9mo ago
Because most of the people don't want to. Additionally, there is a limit on positions. Only few people will get there. But it doesn't mean that there was a competition based on abilities, that some extraordinary skills are needed, or that many other people would not be as good.
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If it's so easy, why haven't you done it?

ceejayoz 9mo ago

Because luck plays a very significant role.

billy99k 9mo ago
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- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  Aww, you did the meme! https://lol.i.trollyou.com/ https://lol.i.trollyou.com/
- croon 9mo ago
  Just because luck plays a part in everything does not make it moot. Set up two identical agents in a game with rules guaranteeing a winner, and you will end up with one loser being equal to the winner. I agree that CEO positions in aggregate are likely generally filled by people better at "CEOing", but there is nothing ruling out "losers" who were equally skilled or even better that just didn't make it due to luck or any of the innumerable factors playing into life.
viraptor 9mo ago
That and having enough millions in the first place to meet with the right people and get/buy a position helps.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  As the Rick & Morty quote goes, "that just sounds like luck with extra steps".
  - Natfan 9mo ago
    [flagged]
- guywithahat 9mo ago
  To Elon's credit he didn't start out with millions
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    Just a well off white politician as a father during South African apartheid.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 9mo ago
      In Errol Musk's political career, he was a city councillor and member of an opposition party. So, while true, this is minor league. His business ventures appear to be more relevant to his wealth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk#Career https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk#Career
lijok 9mo ago
Attributing something to luck sounds like a lazy cop out, sorry. We just had an article on the front page yesterday about “increasing your luck”. If you need to be lucky in meeting the right people, you can increase your chances by spending your evenings in the your nearest financial district watering hole. We’ve easily established luck can be controlled for, which puts us back into skill territory. What specifically must one luck out on? Have you tried?
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  > Attributing something to luck sounds like a lazy cop out, sorry. Everyone one of us here has an unbroken line of lucky (lucky enough!) ancestors stretching back a billion years or so. Pretending it's not a thing is silly. When you're born matters. Where you're born matters. Who you encounter matters. etc. etc. etc. > What specifically must one luck out on? Have you tried? I think perhaps we have different definitions of luck.
  - lijok 9mo ago
    No, I think we have a similar definition of luck, but I think you’ve succumbed to a defeatist attitude. You have to be pretty unlucky to be permanently locked out of becoming a CEO, and if you’re dealt those cards, moaning about it on an online forum would be way down in your list of priorities.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      > You have to be pretty unlucky to be permanently locked out of becoming a CEO… Sure, but that's not what's being asserted. I am not "permanently locked out" of megacorp CEO roles; I'm just vanishingly unlikely to get one. There are lots of people who have enough singing/dancing skill to be a mega popstar like Taylor Swift. There just aren't enough slots. Could I become the next Steve Jobs? Maybe! I'd have to get really lucky.
      - satvikpendem 9mo ago
        No one said anything about megacorps though, just CEOs.
refurb 9mo ago
But the dice gets rolled for everyone and clearly success isn’t randomly distributed. So what does that tell you? It must be luck plus something else.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago
  > It must be luck plus something else. That is why I said “significant role”, not “the only requirement”, yes.
  - refurb 9mo ago
    In science we have the idea of background noise - a random signal that is always there is random fashion. And what is typically done is you ignore it. It’s always there, it’s random, and it applies to all samples. Same with luck and success. You can control luck, so you focus on what’s left.

machomaster 9mo ago

Because most of the people don't want to. Additionally, there is a limit on positions. Only few people will get there. But it doesn't mean that there was a competition based on abilities, that some extraordinary skills are needed, or that many other people would not be as good.

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