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It appears you don’t believe any pass the test. I’m more trying to ask of someone who does believe they pass, ‘how can you?’ To me it’s one of those things that

It appears you don’t believe any pass the test. I’m more trying to ask of someone who does believe they pass, ‘how can you?’ To me it’s one of those things that‘s so painstakingly obvious that the inherent limitations of words comes into play when trying to describe it.

ben_w 9mo ago
They can pass or fail depending on how they're configured. The default configuration is easy to spot. It's easy to change that configuration and make them hard to spot. The default style, that is easy to spot, is also a style that actual real humans use, leading to false positives. I myself have been accused of being a LLM here on this site, just from my style.
- oldputput 9mo ago
  I guess I disagree. The ‘easy to spot’ never goes away, regardless of configuration, so long as the conversation continues. In the spirit of this site, good-faith intellectual curiosity, I will refrain from continuing this conversation in a manner which would reveal your nature as a human or not, and remove the hint of taste of that palpable irony from my mouth (I joke) but it wouldn’t add anything to the discussion anyway. But it would be trivial. Am I making any sense?
  - ben_w 9mo ago
    Sure, I've had similar conversations myself, where there seemed to be some kind of disconnect. Hope you get something more useful from someone else :)
    - oldputput 9mo ago
      Do you believe any LLMs pass the test? You personally?
      - ben_w 9mo ago
        Are you asking if they fool me, or if I believe they fool people in general? The former, how would I tell? I'd have to find someone whose writing style I don't know to be the human comparison, in order to blind myself. The latter: https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674 https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674
        oldputput 9mo ago
        Yes, you personally. Do you believe you could be fooled by any LLM, unable to ascertain if the words came a human or not? By simply asking questions and getting responses?

ben_w 9mo ago

They can pass or fail depending on how they're configured. The default configuration is easy to spot. It's easy to change that configuration and make them hard to spot. The default style, that is easy to spot, is also a style that actual real humans use, leading to false positives. I myself have been accused of being a LLM here on this site, just from my style.

oldputput 9mo ago
I guess I disagree. The ‘easy to spot’ never goes away, regardless of configuration, so long as the conversation continues. In the spirit of this site, good-faith intellectual curiosity, I will refrain from continuing this conversation in a manner which would reveal your nature as a human or not, and remove the hint of taste of that palpable irony from my mouth (I joke) but it wouldn’t add anything to the discussion anyway. But it would be trivial. Am I making any sense?
- ben_w 9mo ago
  Sure, I've had similar conversations myself, where there seemed to be some kind of disconnect. Hope you get something more useful from someone else :)
  - oldputput 9mo ago
    Do you believe any LLMs pass the test? You personally?
    - ben_w 9mo ago
      Are you asking if they fool me, or if I believe they fool people in general? The former, how would I tell? I'd have to find someone whose writing style I don't know to be the human comparison, in order to blind myself. The latter: https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674 https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674
      - oldputput 9mo ago
        Yes, you personally. Do you believe you could be fooled by any LLM, unable to ascertain if the words came a human or not? By simply asking questions and getting responses?