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He's mainly talking about environmental & social consequences now and in the future. He personally is beyond reach of such consequences given his seniority and
by Santosh83 9mo ago
He's mainly talking about environmental & social consequences now and in the future. He personally is beyond reach of such consequences given his seniority and age, so this speculative tangent is detracting from his main point, to put it charitably.
- aurareturn 9mo ago[flagged]
- paulhodge 9mo agoNo you’re just deflecting his points with an ad hominem argument. Stop pretending to assume what he ‘truly feels’.
- aurareturn 9mo agoI don't even know who Rob Pike is to be honest. I'm not attacking him. I'm not pretending to know how he feels. I'm just reading between the lines and speculating.
- spacechild1 9mo agoMaybe you should do some basic research instead of speculating. Rob Pike is not just some random software developer who might worry about his job.
- aurareturn 9mo agoI was just accused of ad hominem. Now you want me to get accused of appeal to authority?
- spacechild1 9mo agoNo, the point is that your speculations simply do not make sense for someone like Rob. He is not a random software engineer in some company and also he is retired.
- aurareturn 9mo agoI’m basing this purely on what he said, not who he is. I think that’s the best way to judge this thread. Regardless, I was accused of ad hominem and you want me to appeal to authority. Sometimes HN is weird.
- spacechild1 9mo agoYou've made baseless assumptions about his "true" feelings. If you did some basic research, you would have quickly realized that your speculations were way off. This is about context, not about authority.
- aurareturn 9mo agoI already said many times that I was reading between the lines and it was speculation. You keep asking me to appeal to authority. No thanks. It is what it is. To me, it’s clear that he wants things to go back to pre ChatGPT because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power. Otherwise, he wouldn’t make such idiotic claims.
- spacechild1 9mo ago> You keep asking me to appeal to authority. I don't. I just asked to do some research instead of indulging in wild speculation. > because that’s the world he’s familiar with and that’s the world he has most power. Again, just baseless speculation. Rob had a very prolific where he worked on foundational technologies like programming language design. He is now retired. What kind of power would he be afraid to lose? Would you at least consider the possibility that his ethical concerns might be sincere?
- idle_zealot 9mo ago> You criticize society and yet you participate in it. How curious.
- aurareturn 9mo agoI didn't criticize society though?
- JodieBenitez 9mo agoAh... the old "all or nothing" fallacy, which in this case quickly leads to "save the planet, kill yourself". We need more nuance.
- aurareturn 9mo agoWhat is the nuance? Let us know. What are his hobbies? Let’s pit them against training LLMs in value and pollution rate.
- spacechild1 9mo agoYou mean you can't critize certain parts of society unless you live like a hermite? > Obviously, it's just what I'm seeing. Have you considered that this may just be a rationalization on your part?
- MangoCoffee 9mo ago>He's mainly talking about environmental & social consequences That's such a weak argument. Then why not stop driving, stop watching TV, stop using the internet? Hell... let's go back and stop using the steam engine for that matter.
- awesome_dude 9mo ago> Then why not stop driving You mean, we should all drive, oh I don't know, Electric powered cars?
- llmslave2 9mo agoThe issue with this line of argumentation is that unlike gen AI, all of the things you listed produce actual value.
- oreally 9mo agoMaybe you're forgetting something but genAI does produce value. Subjective value, yes. But still value to others who can make use of them. End of the day your current prosperity is made by advances in energy and technology. It would be disingenuous to deny that and to deny the freedom of others to progress in their field of study.
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