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> I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about Does it? If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wro

> I think it really depends on what kind of anime you’re talking about Does it? If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right?

AlecSchueler 9mo ago
> If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain would throw that case out. > Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right? It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour.
- FpUser 9mo ago
  >"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.
  - AlecSchueler 9mo ago
    > Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
    - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
      > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
      - AlecSchueler 9mo ago
        Sure, many things can be "bad" if you are happy to go with increasingly absurd reasoning, but I Think that's quite an unfair misrepresentation of both what I said above and of the arguments that were raised in parliament before this law was introduced. Insulting someone by holding a door open might be "bad" but could you really argue for legislating against it? Bringing in the word bad moves the goalposts quite a bit in order to frame the original position as equally limp and absurd.
- bregma 9mo ago
  > It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour. Just like the printed word. Books should be banned and burned. We should start with Orwell since his writing has been used as a manual for so much abusive behaviour.
  - AlecSchueler 9mo ago
    Hate speech is also illegal in the UK, yes.
left-struck 9mo ago
Just because it’s hard to spot the point where it becomes immoral doesn’t mean it’s not immoral. I can’t tell you at what point a person should care, and I wouldn’t want to be the judge of that. My point is that saying they’re looking at “anime” is really downplaying what’s happening. I don’t personally believe the drawings we’re referring to hurt anyone, but that had nothing to do with my argument anyway. Many people will be disgusted by it, and others will not, meanwhile most people seem to be okay with mainstream anime.

AlecSchueler 9mo ago

> If I draw a naked stick figure with boobs and say it is 14, is that morally wrong? At what point should a person care? No and I'm sure every judge in Britain would throw that case out. > Their point is that a drawing doesn't hurt people right? It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour.

FpUser 9mo ago
>"It can in certain circumstances encourage..." Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances". They should go get busy with some real crime.
- AlecSchueler 9mo ago
  > Anything can be bad in "certain circumstances" Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing.
  - ImPostingOnHN 9mo ago
    > Can it? In the same way? It feels like your argument comes down to handwaving. Circumstantial law is hardly a novel thing. I think that was their point: your argument seems handwavey, because anything can be bad "in certain circumstances". Hold the door for someone? Seems nice. But you could be insulting them by doing so. Or letting a virus in by having the door open too long. Or wasting energy and contributing to climate change by letting the conditioned air out. Indeed, under certain circumstances, it's bad.
    - AlecSchueler 9mo ago
      Sure, many things can be "bad" if you are happy to go with increasingly absurd reasoning, but I Think that's quite an unfair misrepresentation of both what I said above and of the arguments that were raised in parliament before this law was introduced. Insulting someone by holding a door open might be "bad" but could you really argue for legislating against it? Bringing in the word bad moves the goalposts quite a bit in order to frame the original position as equally limp and absurd.
bregma 9mo ago
> It can in certain circumstances encourage a market or normalise abusive behaviour. Just like the printed word. Books should be banned and burned. We should start with Orwell since his writing has been used as a manual for so much abusive behaviour.
- AlecSchueler 9mo ago
  Hate speech is also illegal in the UK, yes.

left-struck 9mo ago

Just because it’s hard to spot the point where it becomes immoral doesn’t mean it’s not immoral. I can’t tell you at what point a person should care, and I wouldn’t want to be the judge of that. My point is that saying they’re looking at “anime” is really downplaying what’s happening. I don’t personally believe the drawings we’re referring to hurt anyone, but that had nothing to do with my argument anyway. Many people will be disgusted by it, and others will not, meanwhile most people seem to be okay with mainstream anime.