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I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem. And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience a
by dandare 9mo ago
I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, but the lack of respect for job seekers is a real problem.
And not just with ghost jobs. My recent experience as a job seeker was harrowing - even with large, proud companies. I would pass multiple rounds of interviews with senior/director-level interviewers only to never hear back from the company - even after a direct request for an update or feedback. Just total ignorance. Again, this happened with a FAANG+ company.
- hexbin010 9mo ago> I am not sure if more regulation is a solution, But if we do create more legislation, make sure it's regulatory capture in a weak disguise but celebrate it with lots of political spin!
- suyash 9mo agoApple did that to me as well.
- zwnow 9mo agoI wonder why people still apply to FAANG companies, there is nothing to be won by working for them. Your work has zero impact, you're actively paid to enshittify stuff over making it better, you have horrible bureaucracy within the company, they lay off thousands of people per year so your job never really is secure, all of FAANG is ethically corrupt beyond means. I'd never hire a FAANG employee to be honest, while working there your skill actively declines because all you really do there is play corporate charade and hope not being laid off.
- Delphiza 9mo agoMoney, mostly
- mckn1ght 9mo agoAside from the fact that you have no real job security anywhere, people take FAANG jobs for money. Both the high pay at the company itself, and the idea that once FAANG is on your resume, it will command the best jobs afterwards too. I think they have to pay that high because the work sucks so much in reality. That's the equilibrium point between the demand for people to work there, and the supply of people willing to put up with it.
- zwnow 9mo agoI had good job security doing in house IT for some companies. Never have seen anyone being laid off, could've stayed there for years to come, the stuff I've built was actively being used and made work easier for people. The domain knowledge I gathered even strengthened my job security as it was more efficient to pay me over having to re-train other people. The only risk to my job was me as I left for a startup after a while. Sure, pay wasn't that high compared to FAANG but at least I didn't make peoples life worse while also hating my job.
- danaris 9mo agoI'm choosing to leave a job in tech in academia after 15 years. If I wanted to, I could stay here until I retire (in another 20+ years), barring the complete destruction of the university I work for. The position I'm moving to is also in academia (this time public sector in the EU), and I'm given to understand that as long as I can make it through the probationary first year, so long as I keep doing a halfway decent job there I can stay there for as long as I want, too. (We will, of course, have to see how true that is!) Job security does exist; you just have to be willing to leave the Silicon Valley bubble.
- unmole 9mo agoThis sounds like a cope.
- zwnow 9mo agoThis sounds like a bootlicking
- pjc50 9mo agoI was going to say "money" then post some links to example jobs .. but of course FAANG for US/CA jobs don't advertise salaries.
- sokoloff 9mo agoI can think of hundreds of thousands of reasons per year that people might seek employment at a FAANG company.
- integralid 9mo agoAs a bright eyed young engineer I worked for a year in FAANG and loved it[1]. Free lunches, all that scale, opportunities to learn, kool-aid, and at that point i truly believed the company cared about making the world a better place [2]. So regarding: >there is nothing to be won by working for them As you can see above, not everyone sees it like that. And HR is working hard to pretend you're a big deal and not just a cog. People who read HN are a bit of a bubble in being disillusioned. >I'd never hire a FAANG employee Uhh, ok? [1] but I had enough pride to quit after a year when they pulled off something I was not OK with. [2] to be fair, I think at that time most employees did
- zwnow 9mo ago> Free lunches, all that scale, opportunities to learn, kool-aid Lmao.
- jamesnorden 9mo agoMoney.
- mixmastamyk 9mo ago“No one goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.”
- pydry 9mo ago>I am not sure if more regulation is a solution Nothing else is going to fix this.
- DavidPiper 9mo agoI happen to agree with you, but it's also worth mentioning that solving whatever problem is creating the need to post ghost jobs in the first place would also make posting them unnecessary (presumably insecurity about the company's ability to assess, hire and retain high quality talent.) But those are very hard, company-specific problems to solve, hence my agreement :-)
- hmmmhmmhm 9mo agoMaybe official 'name and blame' service where anybody could post their experience under their real name?
- pjc50 9mo agoIt's a multiparty problem. I really wouldn't want to post negative experiences of companies under my and their real name while still looking for jobs elsewhere. Glassdoor could only possibly be accurate because it was anonymous. Of course, that also makes it easier to fake.
- pydry 9mo agoIt'd actually be easier for a government app to verify identities and (especially if mandated by law) protect your anonymity. The private sector is great at lots of stuff but running a clean marketplace isnt one of them - the incentives are off.
- Jur 9mo agoIn the Netherlands by law you have the right to retrieve any written internal correspondence regarding your interviews as to ascertain it was a fair decision and decision making process. Side effect of this is also to keep any bias out of the equation and, being on the other side, easier to call out colleagues making inappropriate or downright discriminating comments (which in my experience unfortunately happens everywhere still)
- geraldwhen 9mo agoThe unintended side effect of this is that HR coaches you to be as vague as possible in responses. I can’t give real feedback because some feedback may seem dissimilar to other feedback and look like discrimination if you blur your eyes. So everyone gets the same form letter.
- lukan 9mo agoIsn't the side effect also giving incentive to those companies to just not be honest in internal communication? But do the real conversation via call or different channel?
- hmmmhmmhm 9mo agoIf you make such request, how can you enforce to get all of the comms? I'm curious, would some government institution step in and audit their mail servers, slack channels, google hangouts and all other channels to obtain all of the information?
- throw3e98 9mo agoI take it you are unfamiliar with the legal process of "discovery" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law)
- hmmmhmmhm 9mo agoI wonder, is there a precedence of applicant dragging the company to court over their response to such request?
- random9749832 9mo agoI got feedback from FAANG+ once after multiple rounds with director / manager etc. I just got told I didn't seem "motivated" enough despite spending several rounds / days / hours interviewing and bunch of leetcode questions. Not even that I wasn't skilled or good enough or didn't pass the questions. Pretty sure the last guy just didn't like me for whatever reason.
- another_twist 9mo agoDefinitely one of the As in the FAANG. In fact both the As have terrible recruiting practices. One is a known ghoster and given that you were ghosted after a senior level meeting tells me which one.
- sparrish 9mo agoCare to share with the rest of the class?
- andy99 9mo agoIf there is regulation, it should be about monopolies in general and not trying to micromanage hiring. Companies behave this way because they are in a position to do so. In a real competitive environment they wouldn’t. Poorly thought through band-aid rules don’t change that, in fact they would almost certainly favour the big monopolies with the worst hiring practices who have big HR departments that can handle and game compliance.
- LorenPechtel 9mo agoI don't think it's a non-competitive environment, but that the interests are out of alignment. The penalty for the manager who makes a bad hire is a lot worse than the manager who fails to make a hire. And we also have the same problem that plagues modern life: the glut of choices leading people to think they can do better than they can. The pool is effectively infinite, there must be a better option somewhere. Companies don't hire. Dating has become very hard. Both lie behind very superficial screening gates that do not represent actual value.
- gedy 9mo agoGlassdoor pulled that crap with me ironically after a lot of interviews for a senior position that they reached out to me for.