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However, ads are also the reason why many services on the Internet are free. So maybe they are not completely bad.

user3939382 9mo ago
It’s not free you’re just paying with your attention which is the most valuable and scarce resource you have. Its value is convertible into money, it’s just not obvious from the user’s perspective how. From SV’s perspective is crystal clear. Every moment your mind is focused on an ad is a moment it’s not focused on something more important to your life. Some people don’t value their time or attention and Silicon Valley is happy to agree.
- immibis 9mo ago
  Your attention is convertible into money through showing you which things you should spend money on. You can also convert your own attention into your own money by not spending money on those things. At least it was originally like that. Nowadays political propaganda is also massive. The monetary value to Russia or Israel, of the majority of the USA supporting their side of their war, is immense.
  - user3939382 9mo ago
    Which thing you should spend money/attention/energy on is the primary task you have at any given moment of your life. It’s maybe the one decision that is not appropriate to outsource. Consider fine, but dictate no. And if you don’t find the next most important investment in your life by pull, not push, you’re lost. Which is okay but when I’m lost I’ll take my inspiration from somewhere other than, anywhere actually other than, Madison Ave. Or anyone’s political agenda for that matter. Thanks but no thanks.
YetAnotherNick 9mo ago
HN complains about any monetization strategy including recurring payments, yet complains if the company revenue is low. Almost all of the internet is paid by ads, users almost never pays. Company pays, but then the company is paying the money that they directly or indirectly earned through ads.
- xigoi 9mo ago
  Recurring payments are fine for services that have a recurring cost, which is often not the case.
  - YetAnotherNick 9mo ago
    Development cost is recurring cost.
    - xigoi 9mo ago
      Great, then let me buy a specific version as a single purchase.
      - YetAnotherNick 9mo ago
        Would you be fine if that version is affected by botnet in the future, or if the documentation is not updated for newer windows version unless you pay. And would you be willing to pay $200 one time or $10/month(say assume the average subscription time for users is 2 years), so to recoup the amount they need to increase the cost a lot.
        xigoi 9mo ago
        There is a lot of software sold as a single-time purchase for a reasonable price, so it’s certainly possible to make it work.
  - ThrowawayTestr 9mo ago
    How do you feel about news subscriptions?
immibis 9mo ago
Most ad-supported things also should not exist. Although Stack Overflow, terrible as it is, is not one of those.
- ThrowawayTestr 9mo ago
  HN is ad supported (in that it's marketing for ycombinator) should it not exist?

It’s not free you’re just paying with your attention which is the most valuable and scarce resource you have. Its value is convertible into money, it’s just not obvious from the user’s perspective how. From SV’s perspective is crystal clear. Every moment your mind is focused on an ad is a moment it’s not focused on something more important to your life. Some people don’t value their time or attention and Silicon Valley is happy to agree.

immibis 9mo ago
Your attention is convertible into money through showing you which things you should spend money on. You can also convert your own attention into your own money by not spending money on those things. At least it was originally like that. Nowadays political propaganda is also massive. The monetary value to Russia or Israel, of the majority of the USA supporting their side of their war, is immense.
- user3939382 9mo ago
  Which thing you should spend money/attention/energy on is the primary task you have at any given moment of your life. It’s maybe the one decision that is not appropriate to outsource. Consider fine, but dictate no. And if you don’t find the next most important investment in your life by pull, not push, you’re lost. Which is okay but when I’m lost I’ll take my inspiration from somewhere other than, anywhere actually other than, Madison Ave. Or anyone’s political agenda for that matter. Thanks but no thanks.

YetAnotherNick 9mo ago

HN complains about any monetization strategy including recurring payments, yet complains if the company revenue is low. Almost all of the internet is paid by ads, users almost never pays. Company pays, but then the company is paying the money that they directly or indirectly earned through ads.

xigoi 9mo ago
Recurring payments are fine for services that have a recurring cost, which is often not the case.
- YetAnotherNick 9mo ago
  Development cost is recurring cost.
  - xigoi 9mo ago
    Great, then let me buy a specific version as a single purchase.
    - YetAnotherNick 9mo ago
      Would you be fine if that version is affected by botnet in the future, or if the documentation is not updated for newer windows version unless you pay. And would you be willing to pay $200 one time or $10/month(say assume the average subscription time for users is 2 years), so to recoup the amount they need to increase the cost a lot.
      - xigoi 9mo ago
        There is a lot of software sold as a single-time purchase for a reasonable price, so it’s certainly possible to make it work.
- ThrowawayTestr 9mo ago
  How do you feel about news subscriptions?

immibis 9mo ago

Most ad-supported things also should not exist. Although Stack Overflow, terrible as it is, is not one of those.

ThrowawayTestr 9mo ago
HN is ad supported (in that it's marketing for ycombinator) should it not exist?