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Ok so a few thoughts as a former Seattleite: 1. You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. 2. FAANG companies dramatically ove

Ok so a few thoughts as a former Seattleite: 1. You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. 2. FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. 3. AI scene in Seattle is pretty good, but as with everywhere else was/is a victim of the AI hype. I see estimates of the hype being dead in a year. AI won't be dead, but throwing money at the whatever Uber-for-pets-AI-ly idea pops up won't happen. 4. I don't think people hate AI, they hate the hype. Anyways, your app actually does sound interesting so I signed up for it.

mips_avatar 10mo ago
I think these companies would benefit from honesty, if they're right and their new AI capabilities are really powerful then poisoning their workforce against AI is the worst thing they could do right now. Like a generous severance approach and compassionate layoffs would go a long way right now.
hexator 10mo ago
Some people really do hate AI, it's not entirely about the layoffs. This is a well insulated bubble but you can find tons of anti-AI forums online.
- zubiaur 10mo ago
  Some people take find their life meaning through craft and work. When that craft is suddenly less scarce, less special, so does that craft-tied meaning. I wonder if these feelings are what scribes and amanuenses felt when the printing press arrived. I do enjoy programming, I like my job and take pride on it, but I actively try for it not to be the life-mean giving activity. I'm a just mercenary of my trade.
  - venturecruelty 10mo ago
    I mean, I would still hate to be replaced by some chat bot (without being fairly compensated because, societally, it's kind of a dick move for every company to just fire thousands of people and then nobody can find a job elsewhere), but I wouldn't be as mad if the damn tools actually worked. They don't. It's one thing to be laid off, it's another to be laid off, ostensibly, to be replaced by some tool that isn't even actually thinking or reasoning, just crapping out garbage. And I will not be replying to anyone who trots out their personal AI success story. I'm not interested.
    - DrSiemer 10mo ago
      The tech works well enough to function as an excuse for massive layoffs. When all that is over, companies can start hiring again. Probably with a preference for employees that can demonstrate affinity with the new tools.
  - recursive 10mo ago
    The craft isn't any less scarce. If anything, only more. The craft of building wooden furniture is just as scarce as ever, despite the existence of Ikea.
    - pjmlp 10mo ago
      Which is the only woodworkers that survive are the ones with enough customers willing to pay premium prices for furniture, or lucky to live in countries where Ikea like shops aren't yet a thing.
  - Antibabelic 10mo ago
    They are also the people who are able to see the most clearly how subpar generative-AI output is. When you can't find a single spot without AI slop to rest your eyes on and see it get so much praise, it's natural to take it as a direct insult to your work.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 10mo ago
      Yes, the general acceptance of generally mediocre AI output is quite frustrating. Cool, you "made" that image that looks like ass. Great, you "wrote" that blog post with terrible phrasing and far too many words. Congrats, I guess.
- nateglims 10mo ago
  Outside of tech, I think the opinion is generally negative. AI has lost a lot the narrative due to things like energy prices and layoffs.
  - deaux 10mo ago
    Globally, the opinion isn't generally negative. It's localized.
    - ajkjk 10mo ago
      What does that mean?
    - nateglims 10mo ago
      Sure, I meant the anglosphere. But in most countries, the less people are aware of technology or use the internet the less they are enthusiastic about AI.
      - deaux 10mo ago
        I don't see the correlation between technology/internet use and man-on-the-street attitudes towards AI. Compare Sweden with Japan.
        nateglims 10mo ago
        Its a weak proxy for people who are not in tech. In polling japan and sweden are very similar in terms of sentiment though: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-aro...
        deaux 10mo ago
        I still don't see it. Look at some of the countries with the highest relatively high individual "personal tech usage" as well as "percentage of workers/economy connected to tech": South Korea, Israel, Japan, the US, UK, the Netherlands. The first three are on the positive end, the next two on the negative end, and the last one in the middle. "Region of the world" correlation looks a lot stronger than that.
- jama211 10mo ago
  Emphasis on ‘some’. Compare that to the article title!
- abustamam 10mo ago
  Yeah, as a gamer I get a lot of game news in my feeds. Apparently there's a niche of indie games that claim to be AI-free. [0] And I read a lot of articles about games that seem to love throwing a dig at AI even if it's not really relevant. Personally, I can see why people dislike Gen AI. It takes people's creations without permission. That being said, morality of the creation of AI tooling aside, there are still people who dislike AI-generated stuff. Like, they'd enjoy a song, or an image, or a book, and then suddenly when they find out it's AI suddenly they hate it. In my experience with playing with comfy ui to generate images, it's really easy to get something half decent, it's really hard to get something very high quality. It really is a skill in itself, but people who hate AI think it's just type a prompt and get image. I've seen workflows with 80+ nodes, multiple prompts, multiple masks, multiple loras, to generate one single image. It's a complex tool to learn, just like photoshop. Sure you can use Nano-Banana to get something but even then it can take dozens of generations and prompt iterations to get what you want. [0] https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-developers-gen-ai-nexon-arc-raiders https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-develope...
  - johnnyanmac 10mo ago
    >morality of the creation of AI tooling aside, That's a big aside >Like, they'd enjoy a song, or an image, or a book, and then suddenly when they find out it's AI suddenly they hate it. Yes, because for some people its about supporting human creation. Finding out it's part of a grift to take from said humans can be infuriating. People don't want to be a part of that.
    - code_for_monkey 10mo ago
      if I learn music had an AI involved it actually makes me feel awful. It totally just strips it of any appeal for me.
      - saulpw 10mo ago
        I agree, but out of curiosity, how does invisible autotuning make you feel?
- isodev 10mo ago
  I don’t think people hate models. They hate that techbros are putting LLMs in places they don’t belong … and then trying to anthropomorphize the thing finding what best rhymes with your prompt as “reasoning” and “intelligence” (which it isn’t).
- utopiah 10mo ago
  > Some people really do hate AI That's probably me for a lot of people. The reality is a bit finer than this namely : - I hate VC funded AI which is actually super shallow (basically OpenAI/Claude wrappers) - I hate VC funded genuine BigAI that sells itself as the literal opposite of what it is, e.g. OpenAI... being NOT open. - I hate AI that hides it's ecological cost. Generating text, videos, etc is actually fascinating, but not if making the shittiest video with the dumbest script is taking the same amount of energy I'd need to fly across the globe. - I hate AI that hides it's human cost, namely using cheap labor from "far away" where people have to label atrocities (murders, rape, child abuse, etc) without being provided proper psychological support. - I hate AI that embodies capitalist principles of exploitation. If somehow your entire AI business relies on an entire pyramid of everything listed above to capture a market then hike the price once dependency is entrenched you might be a brilliant business man but you suck as a human being. etc... I could go on but you get the idea. I do love open source public AI research though. Several of my very good friends are researchers in universities working on the topic. They are smart, kind and just great human beings. Not fucking ghouls riding the hype with 0 concern for our World. So... yes maybe AI haters have a slightly more refined perspective but of course when one summarize whatever text they see in 3 words via their favorite LLM, it's hard to see.
  - pbmonster 10mo ago
    > making the shittiest video with the dumbest script is taking the same amount of energy I'd need to fly across the globe. I get your overall point, but the hyperbole is probably unhelpful. Flying a human across the globe takes several MWh. That's billions of tokens created (give or take an order of magnitude...).
    - utopiah 10mo ago
      Does your comparison include training, data center building, GPUs productions, etc or solely inference? (genuine question I don't know the total cost for e.g. Sora2, only inference which AFAIK is significant yet pale in comparison to everything upstream)
      - 10mo ago
- thefz 10mo ago
  > Some people really do hate AI AGI? No, although it's not there. LLMs? Yes, lots. The main benefit they can give is to sort-of-speed-up internet search, but I have to go and check the sources anyway so I'll revert back to 20+ years of experience of doing it myself. Any other application of machine learning such almost instant speech to text? No, it's useful.
- skwirl 10mo ago
  On this topic I think it’s pretty off base to call HN a “well insulated bubble” - AI skepticism and outright hate is pretty common here and AI negative comments often get a lot of support. This thread itself offers plenty of examples.
- crote 10mo ago
  I'd extend that to "very few people love AI". In real life, I don't know anyone who genuinely wants to use AI. Most of them think it's "meh", but don't have any strong feelings about using it if it's more convenient - like Google shoving it in their face during a search. But would they pay for it, or miss it if it's gone? Nope, not a chance.
pier25 10mo ago
It’s not only the hype though. What about the complete lack of morality some (most?) AI companies exhibit? What about the consequences in the environment? What about the enshitification of products? What about the usage of water and energy? Etc.
- parineum 10mo ago
  Is your "etc." keep repeating the same two points you did in your list of four?
  - pier25 10mo ago
    What about the RAM price surge? What about diverting funding from much more useful and needed things? What about automation of scams, surveillance, etc? I can keep going. There are plenty of reasons to hate on AI beyond hype.
    - parineum 10mo ago
      > What about the RAM price surge? It's a bit more expensive. It's not the end of the world. Production will likely increase if the demand is consistent. > What about diverting funding from much more useful and needed things? And who determines that? People put there money where they want to. People think AI will provide value to other people and those people will, therefore, pay money for AI. So the funding that AI is receiving is directly proportional to how useful and needed people think AI is. I disagree, but I'm not a dictator. > What about automation of scams, surveillance, etc? Technology makes things easier, including bad things. This isn't the first time this happened and it won't be the last. It also makes avoiding those things easier though but that usually lags a bit behind. > I can keep going. Please do because it seems like you're grasping at straws.
- abustamam 10mo ago
  Not to diminish your overall point, but enshittification has been happening well before AI, AI just made it much easier and faster to enshittify everything.
Karrot_Kream 10mo ago
I was an early employee at a unicorn and I saw this culture take hold once we started hiring from Big Tech talent pools and offering Big Tech comp packages, though before AI hype took off. There's a crazy lack of agency that kicks in for Big Tech folks that's really hard to explain. This feeling that each engineer is this mercenary trying really hard to not get screwed by the internal system. Most of it is because there's little that ties actual output to organizational outcomes. AI mandates after all are just a way to bluntly for e engineers to use AI, where if you were at a startup or smaller company you would probably organically find how much an LLM helps you where. It may not even help your actual work even if it helps your coworkers. That market feedback is sorely missing from the Big Techs and so hamfisted engineering mandates have to do in order to for e engineers to become more efficient. In these cases I always try to remind friends that you can always leave a Big Tech. The thing is, from what I can tell, a lot of these folks have developed lifestyle inflation from working in Big Tech and some of their anger comes from feeling trapped in their Big Tech role due to this. While I understand, I'm not particularly sympathetic to this viewpoint. At the end of the day your lifestyle is in your hands.
didibus 10mo ago
> You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. I think there is no "her", the article ends with saying: > My former coworker—the composite of three people for anonymity—now believes she's [...] I think it's just 3 different people and they made up a "she" single coworker as a kind of example person. I don't know, that's my reading at least, maybe I got it wrong.
- mips_avatar 10mo ago
  I hate to be cagey here but I just really don’t want to make anyone’s life harder than it needs to be by revealing their identity. Microsoft is a really tough place to be an employee right now.
mips_avatar 10mo ago
Thanks for signing up. I’m going to try really hard to open up some beta slots next week so more people can try it. There’s some embarrassingly bad bugs in prod right now…
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. Close. We're in a recession and they are using AI as an excuse for another wave of outsourcing. >I don't think people hate AI, they hate the hype. I hate the grift. I hate having it forced on me after refusing multiple times. That's pretty much 90% of AI right now.
ozfive 10mo ago
The layoffs are due to tax incentives in the tax cut bills that financially incentivize offshoring work.
- shepardrtc 10mo ago
  That makes sense. And its even worse of a reason. At least for people living in the US.
iamkonstantin 10mo ago
The hate starts with the name. LLMs don't have the I in AI. It's like marketing a car as self-driving while all it can do is lane assist.
- dekoidal 10mo ago
  See also hoverboards
- ACCount37 10mo ago
  Then what do they have? Is the siren song of "AI effect" so strong in your mind that you look at a system that writes short stories, solves advanced math problems and writes working code, and then immediately pronounce it "not intelligent"?
  - kahnclusions 10mo ago
    Based on the absolute trash I usually get out of ChatGPT, Claude, etc, I wouldn’t say that it writes “working” code.
    - ACCount37 10mo ago
      By that metric: do you? Seeing an AI casually spit out an 800 lines script that works first try is really fucking humbling to me, because I know I wouldn't be able to do that myself. Sure, it's an area of AI advantage, and I still crush AI in complex codebases or embedded code. But AI is not strictly worse than me, clearly. The fact that it already has this area of advantage should give you a pause.
      - rtp4me 10mo ago
        Humbling indeed. I am utterly amazed at Claude's breadth of knowledge and ability to understand the context of our conversations. Even if I misspell words, don't use the exact phrase, or call something a function instead of a thread, Claude understands what I want and helps make it happen. Not to mention the ability to read hundreds of lines of debug output and point out a tiny error that caused the bug.
conartist6 10mo ago
Why would you not hate AI. What is there to like. It's the closing trash compactor of soullessness and hate of the human, described vividly as having affected Microsoft culture as thoroughly as intergranular corrosion can turn a solid block of aluminum to dust. Fuck Microsoft for both hating me and hating their own people. Fuck. That. Shit.
- NoGravitas 10mo ago
  > It's the closing trash compactor of soullessness and hate of the human, described vividly as having affected Microsoft culture as thoroughly as intergranular corrosion can turn a solid block of aluminum to dust. That's a great way to describe it. There's a good article that points out AI is the new aesthetic of fascism. And, of course, in Miyazaki's words, "I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself."
nektro 10mo ago
> 4. I don't think people hate AI, they hate the hype. except a lot of people really do hate AI

mips_avatar 10mo ago

I think these companies would benefit from honesty, if they're right and their new AI capabilities are really powerful then poisoning their workforce against AI is the worst thing they could do right now. Like a generous severance approach and compassionate layoffs would go a long way right now.

hexator 10mo ago

Some people really do hate AI, it's not entirely about the layoffs. This is a well insulated bubble but you can find tons of anti-AI forums online.

zubiaur 10mo ago
Some people take find their life meaning through craft and work. When that craft is suddenly less scarce, less special, so does that craft-tied meaning. I wonder if these feelings are what scribes and amanuenses felt when the printing press arrived. I do enjoy programming, I like my job and take pride on it, but I actively try for it not to be the life-mean giving activity. I'm a just mercenary of my trade.
- venturecruelty 10mo ago
  I mean, I would still hate to be replaced by some chat bot (without being fairly compensated because, societally, it's kind of a dick move for every company to just fire thousands of people and then nobody can find a job elsewhere), but I wouldn't be as mad if the damn tools actually worked. They don't. It's one thing to be laid off, it's another to be laid off, ostensibly, to be replaced by some tool that isn't even actually thinking or reasoning, just crapping out garbage. And I will not be replying to anyone who trots out their personal AI success story. I'm not interested.
  - DrSiemer 10mo ago
    The tech works well enough to function as an excuse for massive layoffs. When all that is over, companies can start hiring again. Probably with a preference for employees that can demonstrate affinity with the new tools.
- recursive 10mo ago
  The craft isn't any less scarce. If anything, only more. The craft of building wooden furniture is just as scarce as ever, despite the existence of Ikea.
  - pjmlp 10mo ago
    Which is the only woodworkers that survive are the ones with enough customers willing to pay premium prices for furniture, or lucky to live in countries where Ikea like shops aren't yet a thing.
- Antibabelic 10mo ago
  They are also the people who are able to see the most clearly how subpar generative-AI output is. When you can't find a single spot without AI slop to rest your eyes on and see it get so much praise, it's natural to take it as a direct insult to your work.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 10mo ago
    Yes, the general acceptance of generally mediocre AI output is quite frustrating. Cool, you "made" that image that looks like ass. Great, you "wrote" that blog post with terrible phrasing and far too many words. Congrats, I guess.
nateglims 10mo ago
Outside of tech, I think the opinion is generally negative. AI has lost a lot the narrative due to things like energy prices and layoffs.
- deaux 10mo ago
  Globally, the opinion isn't generally negative. It's localized.
  - ajkjk 10mo ago
    What does that mean?
  - nateglims 10mo ago
    Sure, I meant the anglosphere. But in most countries, the less people are aware of technology or use the internet the less they are enthusiastic about AI.
    - deaux 10mo ago
      I don't see the correlation between technology/internet use and man-on-the-street attitudes towards AI. Compare Sweden with Japan.
      - nateglims 10mo ago
        Its a weak proxy for people who are not in tech. In polling japan and sweden are very similar in terms of sentiment though: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-around-the-world-view-ai/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/10/15/how-people-aro...
        deaux 10mo ago
        I still don't see it. Look at some of the countries with the highest relatively high individual "personal tech usage" as well as "percentage of workers/economy connected to tech": South Korea, Israel, Japan, the US, UK, the Netherlands. The first three are on the positive end, the next two on the negative end, and the last one in the middle. "Region of the world" correlation looks a lot stronger than that.
jama211 10mo ago
Emphasis on ‘some’. Compare that to the article title!
abustamam 10mo ago
Yeah, as a gamer I get a lot of game news in my feeds. Apparently there's a niche of indie games that claim to be AI-free. [0] And I read a lot of articles about games that seem to love throwing a dig at AI even if it's not really relevant. Personally, I can see why people dislike Gen AI. It takes people's creations without permission. That being said, morality of the creation of AI tooling aside, there are still people who dislike AI-generated stuff. Like, they'd enjoy a song, or an image, or a book, and then suddenly when they find out it's AI suddenly they hate it. In my experience with playing with comfy ui to generate images, it's really easy to get something half decent, it's really hard to get something very high quality. It really is a skill in itself, but people who hate AI think it's just type a prompt and get image. I've seen workflows with 80+ nodes, multiple prompts, multiple masks, multiple loras, to generate one single image. It's a complex tool to learn, just like photoshop. Sure you can use Nano-Banana to get something but even then it can take dozens of generations and prompt iterations to get what you want. [0] https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-developers-gen-ai-nexon-arc-raiders https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-develope...
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >morality of the creation of AI tooling aside, That's a big aside >Like, they'd enjoy a song, or an image, or a book, and then suddenly when they find out it's AI suddenly they hate it. Yes, because for some people its about supporting human creation. Finding out it's part of a grift to take from said humans can be infuriating. People don't want to be a part of that.
  - code_for_monkey 10mo ago
    if I learn music had an AI involved it actually makes me feel awful. It totally just strips it of any appeal for me.
    - saulpw 10mo ago
      I agree, but out of curiosity, how does invisible autotuning make you feel?
isodev 10mo ago
I don’t think people hate models. They hate that techbros are putting LLMs in places they don’t belong … and then trying to anthropomorphize the thing finding what best rhymes with your prompt as “reasoning” and “intelligence” (which it isn’t).
utopiah 10mo ago
> Some people really do hate AI That's probably me for a lot of people. The reality is a bit finer than this namely : - I hate VC funded AI which is actually super shallow (basically OpenAI/Claude wrappers) - I hate VC funded genuine BigAI that sells itself as the literal opposite of what it is, e.g. OpenAI... being NOT open. - I hate AI that hides it's ecological cost. Generating text, videos, etc is actually fascinating, but not if making the shittiest video with the dumbest script is taking the same amount of energy I'd need to fly across the globe. - I hate AI that hides it's human cost, namely using cheap labor from "far away" where people have to label atrocities (murders, rape, child abuse, etc) without being provided proper psychological support. - I hate AI that embodies capitalist principles of exploitation. If somehow your entire AI business relies on an entire pyramid of everything listed above to capture a market then hike the price once dependency is entrenched you might be a brilliant business man but you suck as a human being. etc... I could go on but you get the idea. I do love open source public AI research though. Several of my very good friends are researchers in universities working on the topic. They are smart, kind and just great human beings. Not fucking ghouls riding the hype with 0 concern for our World. So... yes maybe AI haters have a slightly more refined perspective but of course when one summarize whatever text they see in 3 words via their favorite LLM, it's hard to see.
- pbmonster 10mo ago
  > making the shittiest video with the dumbest script is taking the same amount of energy I'd need to fly across the globe. I get your overall point, but the hyperbole is probably unhelpful. Flying a human across the globe takes several MWh. That's billions of tokens created (give or take an order of magnitude...).
  - utopiah 10mo ago
    Does your comparison include training, data center building, GPUs productions, etc or solely inference? (genuine question I don't know the total cost for e.g. Sora2, only inference which AFAIK is significant yet pale in comparison to everything upstream)
    - 10mo ago
thefz 10mo ago
> Some people really do hate AI AGI? No, although it's not there. LLMs? Yes, lots. The main benefit they can give is to sort-of-speed-up internet search, but I have to go and check the sources anyway so I'll revert back to 20+ years of experience of doing it myself. Any other application of machine learning such almost instant speech to text? No, it's useful.
skwirl 10mo ago
On this topic I think it’s pretty off base to call HN a “well insulated bubble” - AI skepticism and outright hate is pretty common here and AI negative comments often get a lot of support. This thread itself offers plenty of examples.
crote 10mo ago
I'd extend that to "very few people love AI". In real life, I don't know anyone who genuinely wants to use AI. Most of them think it's "meh", but don't have any strong feelings about using it if it's more convenient - like Google shoving it in their face during a search. But would they pay for it, or miss it if it's gone? Nope, not a chance.

pier25 10mo ago

It’s not only the hype though. What about the complete lack of morality some (most?) AI companies exhibit? What about the consequences in the environment? What about the enshitification of products? What about the usage of water and energy? Etc.

parineum 10mo ago
Is your "etc." keep repeating the same two points you did in your list of four?
- pier25 10mo ago
  What about the RAM price surge? What about diverting funding from much more useful and needed things? What about automation of scams, surveillance, etc? I can keep going. There are plenty of reasons to hate on AI beyond hype.
  - parineum 10mo ago
    > What about the RAM price surge? It's a bit more expensive. It's not the end of the world. Production will likely increase if the demand is consistent. > What about diverting funding from much more useful and needed things? And who determines that? People put there money where they want to. People think AI will provide value to other people and those people will, therefore, pay money for AI. So the funding that AI is receiving is directly proportional to how useful and needed people think AI is. I disagree, but I'm not a dictator. > What about automation of scams, surveillance, etc? Technology makes things easier, including bad things. This isn't the first time this happened and it won't be the last. It also makes avoiding those things easier though but that usually lags a bit behind. > I can keep going. Please do because it seems like you're grasping at straws.
abustamam 10mo ago
Not to diminish your overall point, but enshittification has been happening well before AI, AI just made it much easier and faster to enshittify everything.

Karrot_Kream 10mo ago

I was an early employee at a unicorn and I saw this culture take hold once we started hiring from Big Tech talent pools and offering Big Tech comp packages, though before AI hype took off. There's a crazy lack of agency that kicks in for Big Tech folks that's really hard to explain. This feeling that each engineer is this mercenary trying really hard to not get screwed by the internal system. Most of it is because there's little that ties actual output to organizational outcomes. AI mandates after all are just a way to bluntly for e engineers to use AI, where if you were at a startup or smaller company you would probably organically find how much an LLM helps you where. It may not even help your actual work even if it helps your coworkers. That market feedback is sorely missing from the Big Techs and so hamfisted engineering mandates have to do in order to for e engineers to become more efficient. In these cases I always try to remind friends that you can always leave a Big Tech. The thing is, from what I can tell, a lot of these folks have developed lifestyle inflation from working in Big Tech and some of their anger comes from feeling trapped in their Big Tech role due to this. While I understand, I'm not particularly sympathetic to this viewpoint. At the end of the day your lifestyle is in your hands.

didibus 10mo ago

> You were a therapy session for her. Her negativity was about the layoffs. I think there is no "her", the article ends with saying: > My former coworker—the composite of three people for anonymity—now believes she's [...] I think it's just 3 different people and they made up a "she" single coworker as a kind of example person. I don't know, that's my reading at least, maybe I got it wrong.

mips_avatar 10mo ago
I hate to be cagey here but I just really don’t want to make anyone’s life harder than it needs to be by revealing their identity. Microsoft is a really tough place to be an employee right now.

mips_avatar 10mo ago

Thanks for signing up. I’m going to try really hard to open up some beta slots next week so more people can try it. There’s some embarrassingly bad bugs in prod right now…

johnnyanmac 10mo ago

>FAANG companies dramatically overhired for years and are using AI as an excuse for layoffs. Close. We're in a recession and they are using AI as an excuse for another wave of outsourcing. >I don't think people hate AI, they hate the hype. I hate the grift. I hate having it forced on me after refusing multiple times. That's pretty much 90% of AI right now.

ozfive 10mo ago

The layoffs are due to tax incentives in the tax cut bills that financially incentivize offshoring work.

shepardrtc 10mo ago
That makes sense. And its even worse of a reason. At least for people living in the US.

iamkonstantin 10mo ago

The hate starts with the name. LLMs don't have the I in AI. It's like marketing a car as self-driving while all it can do is lane assist.

dekoidal 10mo ago
See also hoverboards
ACCount37 10mo ago
Then what do they have? Is the siren song of "AI effect" so strong in your mind that you look at a system that writes short stories, solves advanced math problems and writes working code, and then immediately pronounce it "not intelligent"?
- kahnclusions 10mo ago
  Based on the absolute trash I usually get out of ChatGPT, Claude, etc, I wouldn’t say that it writes “working” code.
  - ACCount37 10mo ago
    By that metric: do you? Seeing an AI casually spit out an 800 lines script that works first try is really fucking humbling to me, because I know I wouldn't be able to do that myself. Sure, it's an area of AI advantage, and I still crush AI in complex codebases or embedded code. But AI is not strictly worse than me, clearly. The fact that it already has this area of advantage should give you a pause.
    - rtp4me 10mo ago
      Humbling indeed. I am utterly amazed at Claude's breadth of knowledge and ability to understand the context of our conversations. Even if I misspell words, don't use the exact phrase, or call something a function instead of a thread, Claude understands what I want and helps make it happen. Not to mention the ability to read hundreds of lines of debug output and point out a tiny error that caused the bug.

conartist6 10mo ago

Why would you not hate AI. What is there to like. It's the closing trash compactor of soullessness and hate of the human, described vividly as having affected Microsoft culture as thoroughly as intergranular corrosion can turn a solid block of aluminum to dust. Fuck Microsoft for both hating me and hating their own people. Fuck. That. Shit.

NoGravitas 10mo ago
> It's the closing trash compactor of soullessness and hate of the human, described vividly as having affected Microsoft culture as thoroughly as intergranular corrosion can turn a solid block of aluminum to dust. That's a great way to describe it. There's a good article that points out AI is the new aesthetic of fascism. And, of course, in Miyazaki's words, "I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself."

nektro 10mo ago

> 4. I don't think people hate AI, they hate the hype. except a lot of people really do hate AI