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The Copenhagen Trap: How the West made passivity the only safe strategy
- anonymous908213 10mo ago[flagged]
- nish__ 10mo agoNo it's not.
- gherkinnn 10mo agoI read it top to bottom and didn't get that impression.
- anonymous908213 10mo agoThere are all of the usual signs. Overuse of em-dashes (34 of them), overuse of colons (41 of them), overuse of lists of three items comma-separated, incoherent overusage of bold text, overly terse "x → y" lists. Some excerpts that are particularly obvious: > Approve a drug that kills: massive public scandal, congressional hearings, career destruction—the action is visible, attributable, punishable. Delay a drug that would save lives: invisible deaths, no scandal, no attribution—the people who died waiting never become a story. --- > The mechanics: > *Interaction implies liability*: Help a homeless person imperfectly → criticized for the imperfection > *Profit implies guilt*: Sell cheap water in a drought → "profiteer," "monster" > *Ignorance implies innocence*: Ignore the problem entirely → zero criticism --- > The Copenhagen Trap doesn't just affect decisions. It affects *who makes decisions*. This is not about individual choices. It is about civilizational selection pressure.
- mannyv 10mo agoThere are people IRL that actually use em dashes and colons. Just because em-dash usage is the latest trend in "spot the AI" doesn't mean that everything with an em-dash is AI generated.
- anonymous908213 10mo agoPeople do not typically use a combined 75 of them in one short essay, and I pointed out several other reasons. Do you know many people IRL who use a colon/em-dash in almost every single paragraph they write, while also just so happening to mimick multiple other LLM writing patterns? Please do not be so childishly reductive. If my comment could be reduced to "it contains em-dashes", then the comment I would've wrote would be "it contains em-dashes".
- tensegrist 10mo agoplease don't defend this atrocious llm writing style (and thus, implicitly, the broader issue of people outsourcing writing to llms) by picking random aspects thereof and pointing out that there are human writers who share them t. someone who uses a lot of em-dashes and doesn't plan to stop
- tensegrist 10mo agothe headings alone are enough
- _9hey 10mo agoWhether it is or not, the information is relevant, thought-provoking, and necessary to consider for life in modern society. It's a philosophical anti-corruption layer.
- Svip 10mo agoAmusing the title is the "Copenhagen Trap" (I know it's a reference to the Copenhagen Interpretation), since Denmark actually have laws about duty to help. The Danish penal code § 253[1] punishes people with up to 2 years in prison, those who - without high risk to themselves or others - intentionally do not help someone after ability, who is clearly life threatened. Additionally, the Danish rules of the road § 9[2] have rules for acting in the event of an accident; specifically, that they have a duty to help. [1] https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2025/1294#P253 https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2025/1294#P253 [2] https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2024/1312#P9 https://www.retsinformation.dk/eli/lta/2024/1312#P9
- StopDisinfo910 10mo agoIt's the same in France with "Non assistance à personne en danger” literally ”Not helping someone in danger" and the assistance expected is proportional to your immediate ability. A doctor who would not try to help someone injured is liable for example. There are precedents. Weird use of "the West" here.
- defrost 10mo agoI grew up in the West (Australia) - for locals it's almost unthinkable that you wouldn't help someone that needed a hand, eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORxs9E2Ex0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORxs9E2Ex0 is unremarkable save for the fact that the rest of the world thought it unusual. Many people are members of volunteer organisations, SES (Search and Rescue), St. John's (Ambulance and medical first responce), VFRS (Volunteer Firefighters) etc.
- throw__away7391 10mo agoI think this varies quite a lot from one location to another. I grew up in an impoverished town in the US south. When I was a kid if your car broke down, a stranger would stop to at least give you a ride or possibly even try to repair it on the spot. If you so much as threatened a woman in public you could expect to have a number of men immediately step in to confront you. Many year later in life I lived in Manhattan, where you could literally have a frail old lady being beat up in front of a crowd of grown men and everyone would either pretend they didn't see anything or at most pull out their phones to record it. I don't know what my old town is like today, but a few years ago I was on a bus in Latin America far from any large cities and a pickpocket robbed someone, the passengers on the bus seized the guy, beat him up, striped him naked, and the bus driver slowed down and opened the door while they shoved him out onto the curb.
- eqvinox 10mo ago> how it became encoded into Western institutions, > This is not a human universal. Continental Civil Law systems (France, Germany) criminalize failure to rescue Might want to phrase "western institutions" a bit more precisely. The parts of Europe I know have good protections for Samaritans & the article itself even acknowledges some of this too.
- im3w1l 10mo agoThere is another asymmetry that this article misses. Fear leads to inaction. Hope leads to action. The article seems to argue that we need to punish inaction. But this goes against the principle I just mentioned. Instead we could (and do) reward action. Recall the profiteer in point VII. Maybe he was critized. But he also did make a profit. Reward. In China, passing good samaritian laws undid damage. Why because lessening fear was enough for hope to prevail. Hope of gratitude and reward. Like anon908 I also thought this was llm-generated, but unlike him I thought it was still a worthwhile read.
- gherkinnn 10mo agoThis formalises what I've tried to articulate for years now and can be applied to the minuscule scales I work at. All too frequently do people wait for the mace of circumstance than to act and risk the reed of agency.
- iberator 10mo agoIn Poland all you are allowed is literally calling the cops/medics. It's easy to get convicted if you hurt an attacker on self defence. You are not allowed to use let's say knife to protect yourself from random attack on the street. Actually attacking some random person in the middle of the day (sucker punch) is not even a crime prosecuted by the law... Even if you are bleeding and the attack is not provoked in any way. Insanity
- eru 10mo agoThe article mentions but doesn't seem to link to https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/the-copenhagen-interpretation-of-ethics https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/QXpxioWSQcNuNnNTy/...
- watwut 10mo agoThat explains weird generalization to "west" when it deals with America only problem and even there severely exaggerates the issue. Author seems to base their opinions on movie version of the world. > You try to save them. You succeed, but break their rib doing CPR. Legally: they can sue you. Morally: "was that level of force really necessary?" Both legally and morally, yes that level was necessary as ribs routinely break during CPR.
- orwin 10mo agoIn fact, people tends to not push enough. When I learned first aid, it two mouth to mouth every 30 pushes. It's now two every 15 pushes.
- thaumasiotes 10mo ago> The term "Copenhagen Interpretation of Ethics" names the phenomenon: like observing a particle collapses its wavefunction in quantum mechanics, interacting with a problem makes you responsible for it. Ignoring the problem grants immunity. The author is ignoring a phenomenon that is so closely related I would just call it the same thing: interacting isn't necessary. Just mentioning that a problem is likely to occur is, in general, enough to get you blamed for causing the problem.
- eru 10mo ago> You try to save them. You fail. They die anyway. Legally: potential liability for negligent rescue. Morally: "why didn't you do it properly?" > You try to save them. You succeed, but break their rib doing CPR. Legally: they can sue you. Morally: "was that level of force really necessary?" Many countries have legal safeguards against these kinds of suits. > You watch someone drown. You do nothing. Legally: no liability. Morally: "tragic, but not your fault." And many countries have legal safeguards against not helping.
- watwut 10mo ago> You try to save them. You succeed, but break their rib doing CPR. Legally: they can sue you. Morally: "was that level of force really necessary?" Yes, CPR breaks ribs as a routine thing https://www.cprcoursebrisbane.com.au/does-cpr-break-ribs/#elementor-toc__heading-anchor-0 https://www.cprcoursebrisbane.com.au/does-cpr-break-ribs/#el... legal standards acknowledge that fact and moral ones should too. Also, duty to help does exist all over the "west". And even where it does not exist, good samaritan laws are not merely a sidenote, they in fact protect people when providing help.
- smitty1e 10mo ago> Result: we are ruled by the Unstained Incompetent. The system selects for people whose primary skill is avoiding decisions. These are not the people who will reform the system. They are the people the system was designed to produce. I'm choosing to translate "the system" here as the entrenched bureaucracy that has grown up in the Western world in the last century. More patriotic leaders have emerged where elections remain meaningful, and those leaders are ruthlessly attacked by "the system". Which is an ironically non-passive behavior mode.
- Apreche 10mo agoI know this article is focusing on legal responsibility, but if you are going to consider moral culpability for inaction you must also factor in capability. If a very weak person does not have the strength to perform CPR, they should not feel guilty for failing to perform it. You also have to consider the costs involved. Somewhere out there is a homeless person who is going to die in the cold tonight. I’m not vastly wealthy, but I could afford to save them if I dropped everything I was doing, searched for them, and found them in time. It is in my power to save them, but at great personal expense. Therefore, I do not hold myself morally responsible for not doing so. Now consider the billionaire. By merely uttering the command, the smallest effort, they could feed, house, provide medical care, and educate an enormous number of people in poverty. Remember what Uncle Ben said. With great power comes great responsibility. The blood is on their hands.
- jaybrendansmith 10mo agoA great essay. I would say this is 'business ethics' for certain. It is not typically personal ethics, nor Christian or Muslim ethics. But this describes better than anything I have read what happens to every corporation, eventually. Bean counters and ombsbudsmen vs operators, day 1 vs day 2, all comes down to this. If you are CEO, you must always side with the operator, the 'man in the arena'. It is difficult to do it but that's what your authority is for. Where this falls into serious trouble is with externalities. For this we still do need strong regulators.
- haitchfive 10mo agoIn many countries it is VERY illegal to watch someone die and do nothing. The United States, thankfully, is not the same as the universe, as much as Americans find that hard to believe.
- ekns 10mo agoAuthor here. Thanks for the corrections. I revised the essay, my priors were off. Added Good Samaritan data (zero successful CPR lawsuits in 30 years), duty-to-rescue statutes across Europe, and a new section on self-defense showing the trap cuts across Common Law/Civil Law (UK restrictive, Germany/Poland permissive).