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Yep, any war of aggression would be wildly unpopular today. Limited actions may be somewhat tolerated inasmuch as they're seen as being at the behest of the leg

Yep, any war of aggression would be wildly unpopular today. Limited actions may be somewhat tolerated inasmuch as they're seen as being at the behest of the legitimate Venezuelan government in exile, but no one wants a land invasion or to see American missiles killing civilians. I'm not saying it could never happen, but the party in power would be burning a ridiculous amount of political capital, to put it mildly. A big part of the reason President Trump even exists is the perception that Bush lied to get us into Iraq and Obama kept us there. Trump consistently ran as the "anti-war" candidate, and Biden was also known for his dovish politics.

Braxton1980 10mo ago
I don't understand why you think an invasion or widespread airstrikes would be unlikely. - Trump has been building up our military presence in the area over the last few months[1] -He's already striking boats that he claims have weapons of mass destruct... I mean drugs in them - Trump said “I don’t think we're going to necessarily ask for a declaration of war. I think we’re just going to kill people that are bringing drugs into our country, OK? We’re going to kill them,” [1] - He declared the cartels terrorist groups [2] I believe he's going to link Marudo to the cartels and use it to justify a war to force him out of power. Republicans, will support him. He'll lie, like he always does, and they'll believe it either due to stupidity or tribalism. The further they follow him the more painful admitting they are wrong will be. [1]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-won-t-congress-over-213241931.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-won-t-congress-ove... [2]https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels
- shallowsax 10mo ago
  I haven't commented one way or another on the likelihood of an invasion. My claim is that an escalation from limited airstrikes to full-scale invasion would be wildly unpopular, which I stand by.
Braxton1980 10mo ago
Blaming Bush is justified because he lied about WoD. Obama pulled out in 2011, the date Bush agreed to in 2008. Are you referring to 2014s invasion because of ISIS?
- shallowsax 10mo ago
  I'm not referring to any specific actions or commenting on who did what. I summarized what I've observed to be the common perception, which is that Iraq and Afghanistan were "forever wars" conducted against the informed consent of the American public, and a spectacular failure of our institutions and both party establishments. If that sounds lacking in nuance, well, I never claimed to believe American political discourse was particularly nuanced ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - Braxton1980 10mo ago
    Are both parties equally responsible? Shouldn't discussions be as nuanced as possible if change is expected?
    - shallowsax 10mo ago
      Of course they're not. Ideally they would be, but I haven't observed that they generally are and wouldn't make such a claim.

Braxton1980 10mo ago

I don't understand why you think an invasion or widespread airstrikes would be unlikely. - Trump has been building up our military presence in the area over the last few months[1] -He's already striking boats that he claims have weapons of mass destruct... I mean drugs in them - Trump said “I don’t think we're going to necessarily ask for a declaration of war. I think we’re just going to kill people that are bringing drugs into our country, OK? We’re going to kill them,” [1] - He declared the cartels terrorist groups [2] I believe he's going to link Marudo to the cartels and use it to justify a war to force him out of power. Republicans, will support him. He'll lie, like he always does, and they'll believe it either due to stupidity or tribalism. The further they follow him the more painful admitting they are wrong will be. [1]https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-won-t-congress-over-213241931.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-won-t-congress-ove... [2]https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels https://www.state.gov/designation-of-international-cartels

shallowsax 10mo ago
I haven't commented one way or another on the likelihood of an invasion. My claim is that an escalation from limited airstrikes to full-scale invasion would be wildly unpopular, which I stand by.

Braxton1980 10mo ago

Blaming Bush is justified because he lied about WoD. Obama pulled out in 2011, the date Bush agreed to in 2008. Are you referring to 2014s invasion because of ISIS?

shallowsax 10mo ago
I'm not referring to any specific actions or commenting on who did what. I summarized what I've observed to be the common perception, which is that Iraq and Afghanistan were "forever wars" conducted against the informed consent of the American public, and a spectacular failure of our institutions and both party establishments. If that sounds lacking in nuance, well, I never claimed to believe American political discourse was particularly nuanced ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- Braxton1980 10mo ago
  Are both parties equally responsible? Shouldn't discussions be as nuanced as possible if change is expected?
  - shallowsax 10mo ago
    Of course they're not. Ideally they would be, but I haven't observed that they generally are and wouldn't make such a claim.