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mRNA flu vaccine is up to 34.5% more effective than current flu vaccines
- pkphilip 10mo ago[flagged]
- bediger4000 10mo agoThere certainly have been some concerns! No doubt. I think we, as intelligent people, can agree that the quality of those concerns and the basis of the concerns have been low, and in bad faith respectively. In that light, it seems obvious that we as a society should press on with the promising research like this.
- pkphilip 10mo agoActually, no, I don't think we all agree that the basis of the concerns have been low. For one thing, just a short list of claims that have already been debunked. 1. mRNA will not cause changes across the body and will stay only in the injection sitre. Finding: False. mRNA traces are being found even in the heart and the brain tissues. 2. mRNA will not be transferred from a pregnant mother to the baby in the womb or via breast milk Finding: False. mRNA traces are being found in babies in the womb and also in breast milk. There are no conclusive studies on what this does to bodies of these babies. 3. mRNA will not permanently alter the DNA of those being injected. Finding: False. DNA is indeed altered.
- hyperhello 10mo agoFrankly, I'm not sure what scientists would find because you're the first one to think of analyzing the outcome from the mRNA vaccines. The scientists are all too busy doing science to be capable of the kind of leaps of lateral logic it would take to conceive of a plan like that. I'd follow up myself, but I just looked at some water through a microscope and I need to tell everyone I found bugs in it.
- gdulli 10mo agoIs putting it mildly and vaguely the new tactic, since concretizing the arguments always exposes their impotence?
- pkphilip 10mo agoYou could simply look up the papers instead of launching a full ad hominem attack on anyone who criticises it
- j3th9n 10mo agoImmune system.
- free_bip 10mo agoYeah? What about them?
- wewxjfq 10mo agoIs what makes you feel so terrible when you're sick, that's why you don't want to get it involved. Like a car driver would rather not see the seat belt and air bags do their life-saving thing. Fun fact: Up to the Civil War or WWI, more soldiers died of illness than of battle wounds. So much for the fabled immune system. And if WWI killed more soldiers in battle, the flu still won that round, because the Spanish Flu killed heaps more later. Now we still remember WWI for its bloodiness, but without Covid-19, who would remember the Spanish Flu?
- j3th9n 10mo agowtf haha, school yourself
- fithisux 10mo agoThe current flu vaccines were already effective
- panja 10mo agoWell these are more effective, apparently
- gitaarik 10mo agoAccording to a Pfizer backed study..
- signatoremo 10mo agoPhase 3 trial, not just any study. The results are required by FDA in order to approve the vaccine.
- gitaarik 10mo agoThe point being that it's backed by the company that's producing the product
- jfengel 10mo agoNobody else is going to back such a study. So that's going to be true for every drug.
- gitaarik 10mo agoIndeed. And pharmaceutical companies will never do studies for medicines they cannot patent. And you can't patent natural medicines, only synthetic. So only the synthetic ones that are created by them are being studied and are the only "proven" medicine. Convenient not? Maybe we should have an independent institute backed by citizens, that does these studies, for both natural and synthetic medicines. But that would destroy the pharmaceutical industry.
- syntaxing 10mo agoThis is honestly great, I’m especially concerned about my parents as they get older. Though I am curious in the side effects. The flu shot now makes my arm ache. The Covid shot makes me extremely sick for a day though I am willing to pay the price compared to being really sick when I get Covid.
- mikewarot 10mo agoIt's honestly quite frightening the way that mRNA containing compounds can be labeled as a "vaccine", though the mechanism is completely different. The cells that mRNA reprograms to achieve it's desired result cannot be guaranteed to reside only at the injection site.
- mikewarot 10mo agoResearch on the actual distribution of mRNA vacccines through the body is sparse. Here's the relevant quote from something recent[1] Lipid nanoparticle mRNA vaccines have revolutionized vaccinology and saved many lives during the COVID-19 pandemic.1 Lipid nanoparticle mRNA vaccines typically contain 5 materials – mRNA, an ionizable lipid, a polyethylene glycol (PEG)–lipid, a helper lipid and cholesterol. Although the vaccines are delivered intramuscularly (IM) and act primarily in the draining lymph node, recent studies have suggested that at least small amounts of the mRNA vaccines may distribute in humans more widely than originally anticipated. A primarily cross-sectional study detected mRNA in blood for up to 15 days after mRNA vaccination.2 Low levels of the vaccine mRNA were detected in breast milk up to 45 hours post-vaccination.3,4 An autopsy study of people dying incidentally after vaccination found mRNA in tissues (axillary lymph nodes and heart) up to 30 days after vaccination.5 Presumably the mRNA reached breast milk and tissues following circulation in blood. Despite evidence in animals and humans that mRNA can be detected in blood after vaccination,2,6 studies of the pharmacokinetics of mRNA lipid nanoparticle components in blood in humans are lacking. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.25.24311039v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.07.25.24311039v...