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I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.

by renw0rp 10mo ago

Semaphor 10mo ago
Duh? Ukraine is a big place for Nazis. Funnily enough, so is Russia (and if black metal is any indication, Finland). This is not exactly news. edit: I’d appreciate comments explaining why I’m wrong besides drive by downvotes.
- udumblol 10mo ago
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  - nutjob2 10mo ago
    And your cure for this is mindless trolling?
andrewflnr 10mo ago
The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.
- udumblol 10mo ago
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  - afavour 10mo ago
    You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
    - udumblol 10mo ago
      I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
      - andrewflnr 10mo ago
        > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
        udumblol 10mo ago
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      - inglor_cz 10mo ago
        "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
        udumblol 10mo ago
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  - TurkishPoptart 10mo ago
    Your account was created half an hour ago with negative karma. Russian bot?
    - youhatetheleft 10mo ago
      Yeah hilarious how leftwing content is shut down on this website. I don’t care if you believe what I’m saying maybe just take note on how what I’m saying is censored by people with power.
      - BobaFloutist 10mo ago
        It's incredible that Russia has managed to associate itself with the western left so easily, just by dint of "We're not America" and "Lol remember the Soviet Union? Wasn't that wild?" Frankly I think the actually association is probably shallower than anonymous internet self-proclaimed leftists would have you think, but it's still impressive how powerful it appears.
inglor_cz 10mo ago
Good propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions. Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi. It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
- drysine 10mo ago
  >Bandera was not a nice person Neither was Hitler
8note 10mo ago
what specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it? what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?

I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.

by renw0rp 10mo ago

I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.

Duh? Ukraine is a big place for Nazis. Funnily enough, so is Russia (and if black metal is any indication, Finland). This is not exactly news. edit: I’d appreciate comments explaining why I’m wrong besides drive by downvotes.

udumblol 10mo ago
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- nutjob2 10mo ago
  And your cure for this is mindless trolling?

andrewflnr 10mo ago

The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.

udumblol 10mo ago
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- afavour 10mo ago
  You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
  - udumblol 10mo ago
    I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
    - andrewflnr 10mo ago
      > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
      - udumblol 10mo ago
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    - inglor_cz 10mo ago
      "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
      - udumblol 10mo ago
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- TurkishPoptart 10mo ago
  Your account was created half an hour ago with negative karma. Russian bot?
  - youhatetheleft 10mo ago
    Yeah hilarious how leftwing content is shut down on this website. I don’t care if you believe what I’m saying maybe just take note on how what I’m saying is censored by people with power.
    - BobaFloutist 10mo ago
      It's incredible that Russia has managed to associate itself with the western left so easily, just by dint of "We're not America" and "Lol remember the Soviet Union? Wasn't that wild?" Frankly I think the actually association is probably shallower than anonymous internet self-proclaimed leftists would have you think, but it's still impressive how powerful it appears.

inglor_cz 10mo ago

Good propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions. Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi. It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"

drysine 10mo ago
>Bandera was not a nice person Neither was Hitler

8note 10mo ago

what specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it? what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?