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1. That's like saying a law against speeding is valid, so the defendant is probably guilty of speeding. That a patent is valid says absolutely nothing about whe

1. That's like saying a law against speeding is valid, so the defendant is probably guilty of speeding. That a patent is valid says absolutely nothing about whether a defendant is infringing it. 2. Sorry, all I can do is laugh. Do you actually follow the US legal system? 3. Again, whether a patent is bad or not has nothing to do with whether it's infringed in any particular case.

rayiner 14y ago
> 2. Sorry, all I can do is laugh. Do you actually follow the US legal system? Do you follow it deeper than the propaganda about frivolous lawsuits? > 3. Again, whether a patent is bad or not has nothing to do with whether it's infringed in any particular case. He's not talking about particular cases, he's talking about aggregate statistics. A system with a lot of weak patents, where people might independently come up with the same design because it's obvious, is going to have a lot more infringement than a system with only strong patents, where infringement is likely to come from only purposefully copying a design.
- problemdomain 14y ago
  > propaganda about frivolous lawsuits? Oh please. This isn't about ambulance chasers, I'm not some right-wing nut who thinks corporations need to be protected from the unwashed masses. This is about things like patent and copyright trolls. > He's not talking about particular cases, he's talking about aggregate statistics. Justice is not decided based on aggregate statistics.
  - rayiner 14y ago
    > Justice is not decided based on aggregate statistics. This is a total non-sequitor. He was talking about the mechanics of lawsuits, not "justice."
tzs 14y ago
1. Read more carefully. I was not talking about infringement. 2. Yes. I acquired a passing familiarity with the US legal system in law school. 3. Again, read more carefully.
- problemdomain 14y ago
  1. The numbers you're quoting sure are. Look at the chart and surrounding text again. And all you said was "Plaintiffs were only winning 20-40% of the time.". "Winning" in a patent case hinges on infringement. If you're not talking about infringement, what could you possibly be talking about? 2. That's not an answer to the question I asked, it's an irrelevant and evasive appeal to authority. 3. You're projecting.
  - tptacek 14y ago
    2. Yes. I acquired a passing familiarity with the US legal system in law school. 2. That's not an answer to the question I asked, it's an irrelevant and evasive appeal to authority. Please stop.
    - RHSeeger 14y ago
      In this case he wasn't arguing that people should give more weight to his answer because he went to law school. Rather, he was responding to someone that asked if he knew anything about the law. As a response to that specific question, giving a context for how much he understands based on his background seems valid.
      - tptacek 14y ago
        You never know when the person you're bitching at on HN has a law degree. But now that it's clear that you don't: your objection is silly and the person you are objecting to knows more about this issue than you do.
  - tzs 14y ago
    1. I was talking about validity. A hint to that effect was that my sentence explicitly talked about the burden of proof of patent validity. To win a patent case, you must have a valid patent and that patent must be infringed. The plaintiff enters the case with an advantage by law on the validity issue, which was the point of #1. I dealt with why the plaintiff has an advantage on the infringement issue in point #2. 2. You asked: "Do you actually follow the US legal system?" I answered: "Yes". Please explain how that is not an answer to the question you asked.

rayiner 14y ago

> 2. Sorry, all I can do is laugh. Do you actually follow the US legal system? Do you follow it deeper than the propaganda about frivolous lawsuits? > 3. Again, whether a patent is bad or not has nothing to do with whether it's infringed in any particular case. He's not talking about particular cases, he's talking about aggregate statistics. A system with a lot of weak patents, where people might independently come up with the same design because it's obvious, is going to have a lot more infringement than a system with only strong patents, where infringement is likely to come from only purposefully copying a design.

problemdomain 14y ago
> propaganda about frivolous lawsuits? Oh please. This isn't about ambulance chasers, I'm not some right-wing nut who thinks corporations need to be protected from the unwashed masses. This is about things like patent and copyright trolls. > He's not talking about particular cases, he's talking about aggregate statistics. Justice is not decided based on aggregate statistics.
- rayiner 14y ago
  > Justice is not decided based on aggregate statistics. This is a total non-sequitor. He was talking about the mechanics of lawsuits, not "justice."

tzs 14y ago

1. Read more carefully. I was not talking about infringement. 2. Yes. I acquired a passing familiarity with the US legal system in law school. 3. Again, read more carefully.

problemdomain 14y ago
1. The numbers you're quoting sure are. Look at the chart and surrounding text again. And all you said was "Plaintiffs were only winning 20-40% of the time.". "Winning" in a patent case hinges on infringement. If you're not talking about infringement, what could you possibly be talking about? 2. That's not an answer to the question I asked, it's an irrelevant and evasive appeal to authority. 3. You're projecting.
- tptacek 14y ago
  2. Yes. I acquired a passing familiarity with the US legal system in law school. 2. That's not an answer to the question I asked, it's an irrelevant and evasive appeal to authority. Please stop.
  - RHSeeger 14y ago
    In this case he wasn't arguing that people should give more weight to his answer because he went to law school. Rather, he was responding to someone that asked if he knew anything about the law. As a response to that specific question, giving a context for how much he understands based on his background seems valid.
    - tptacek 14y ago
      You never know when the person you're bitching at on HN has a law degree. But now that it's clear that you don't: your objection is silly and the person you are objecting to knows more about this issue than you do.
- tzs 14y ago
  1. I was talking about validity. A hint to that effect was that my sentence explicitly talked about the burden of proof of patent validity. To win a patent case, you must have a valid patent and that patent must be infringed. The plaintiff enters the case with an advantage by law on the validity issue, which was the point of #1. I dealt with why the plaintiff has an advantage on the infringement issue in point #2. 2. You asked: "Do you actually follow the US legal system?" I answered: "Yes". Please explain how that is not an answer to the question you asked.