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The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism ht

by mef51 10mo ago

The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

yoavm 10mo ago
Zionism was what pushed Jews to accept the Partition Plan[0], and later the disengagement plan[1], both rejecting the idea of Gaza as an Israeli territory. The colonization of Gaza is entirely driven by Hamas's attack on Israel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the...
- mef51 10mo ago
  Acting like the dominant political stream in Israel has not been interested in occupying Gaza since at least 1967 to this day is a bald faced and shameless misdirection.
  - vladgur 10mo ago
    So that interest was actualized through removing all Jews -- living and dead -- from Gaza in 2005?
    - immibis 10mo ago
      Sure. Just look at how they're doing now: they have the full support of the world to re-invade Gaza, and this can be justified by the fact that no Jews live there (Just look three comments above yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45932249 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45932249 ) If there were Israeli Jews (I am not referring to the religious group, but by which side of the conflict people are on) living in Gaza, such arguments wouldn't work, just like they don't work for the West Bank (which is also getting genocided but we're not talking about it, so maybe that strategy works too).
      - vladgur 10mo ago
        Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrastructure So yeah, it makes sense to support the country trying to rescue its hostages from an enemy government. We can debate how Israel prosecutes the war, but its a war that Hamas started and yet in your accusation of Israel above there is no mention of role Gazan goverment -- Hamas -- played in this war. I doubt that my country -- the US -- would prosecute the war any better, had it been invaded by thousands of Mexican federales killing 42,000 people -- an equivalent of population the city of Cupertino where Apple is headquartered -- while kidnapping 9,000 of our citizens. I doubt any country would do better as a matter of fact.
        C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 10mo ago
        > Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegations-filed-from-7-october-reaveals-israeli-prosecutor/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegatio...
        vladgur 10mo ago
        Im not going to engage in "Hamas slaughered festival goers on camera, killed a father in front of his kids, while blowing out one their eyes and kidnapped toddlers, but we will question the sex crimes being committed". Is protecting the killers of families, babies and kidnappers of toddlers from accusations of sexual assault really the proverbial "hill you want to die on"? Lets focus on order of operatons: 1) Hamas started a war 2) Israel responded in order to free its citizens and protect from future attacks.
  - yoavm 10mo ago
    First, as the other comment mentioned, that political stream you're talking about was literally the one the left Gaza. Second, that political stream is the opposition of the Zionism stream that established Israel. Picking and choosing the last two years as a proof for what Zionism is all about is like saying "Americanism is all about taking over Greenland". Somehow, when it's Zionism, people will not notice how ridiculous that sounds.
- 67-six-seven 10mo ago
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vladgur 10mo ago
colonization? How many western zionists live in Gaza today?
UltraSane 10mo ago
No Jews live in Gaza.
- immibis 10mo ago
  Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
  - UltraSane 10mo ago
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  - vladgur 10mo ago
    I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
    - immibis 10mo ago
      I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.
      - vladgur 10mo ago

by mef51 10mo ago

The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

yoavm 10mo ago

Zionism was what pushed Jews to accept the Partition Plan[0], and later the disengagement plan[1], both rejecting the idea of Gaza as an Israeli territory. The colonization of Gaza is entirely driven by Hamas's attack on Israel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the...

mef51 10mo ago
Acting like the dominant political stream in Israel has not been interested in occupying Gaza since at least 1967 to this day is a bald faced and shameless misdirection.
- vladgur 10mo ago
  So that interest was actualized through removing all Jews -- living and dead -- from Gaza in 2005?
  - immibis 10mo ago
    Sure. Just look at how they're doing now: they have the full support of the world to re-invade Gaza, and this can be justified by the fact that no Jews live there (Just look three comments above yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45932249 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45932249 ) If there were Israeli Jews (I am not referring to the religious group, but by which side of the conflict people are on) living in Gaza, such arguments wouldn't work, just like they don't work for the West Bank (which is also getting genocided but we're not talking about it, so maybe that strategy works too).
    - vladgur 10mo ago
      Lets make the order of operatons clear. 1) Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes as well as taking hundreds of civilians hostage, including as we all know an toddlers, womens and elderly. 2) Israel in order to rescue its citizens as well as protect them from future attacked invaded Gaza and attacked Hammas and its infrastructure So yeah, it makes sense to support the country trying to rescue its hostages from an enemy government. We can debate how Israel prosecutes the war, but its a war that Hamas started and yet in your accusation of Israel above there is no mention of role Gazan goverment -- Hamas -- played in this war. I doubt that my country -- the US -- would prosecute the war any better, had it been invaded by thousands of Mexican federales killing 42,000 people -- an equivalent of population the city of Cupertino where Apple is headquartered -- while kidnapping 9,000 of our citizens. I doubt any country would do better as a matter of fact.
      - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 10mo ago
        > Hamas started a war with Israel by invading it, slaughtering and raping hundreds of civilians at the music festival and in their homes Could you provide conclusive evidence for that? Could you provide even cases of formally filed rape allegations? [1] Yes I know that a lot of Israeli media people made the accusation, but there's no reason to repeat something that no proof was given for. [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegations-filed-from-7-october-reaveals-israeli-prosecutor/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250106-no-rape-allegatio...
        vladgur 10mo ago
        Im not going to engage in "Hamas slaughered festival goers on camera, killed a father in front of his kids, while blowing out one their eyes and kidnapped toddlers, but we will question the sex crimes being committed". Is protecting the killers of families, babies and kidnappers of toddlers from accusations of sexual assault really the proverbial "hill you want to die on"? Lets focus on order of operatons: 1) Hamas started a war 2) Israel responded in order to free its citizens and protect from future attacks.
- yoavm 10mo ago
  First, as the other comment mentioned, that political stream you're talking about was literally the one the left Gaza. Second, that political stream is the opposition of the Zionism stream that established Israel. Picking and choosing the last two years as a proof for what Zionism is all about is like saying "Americanism is all about taking over Greenland". Somehow, when it's Zionism, people will not notice how ridiculous that sounds.
67-six-seven 10mo ago
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vladgur 10mo ago

colonization? How many western zionists live in Gaza today?

UltraSane 10mo ago

No Jews live in Gaza.

immibis 10mo ago
Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
- UltraSane 10mo ago
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- vladgur 10mo ago
  I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
  - immibis 10mo ago
    I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.
    - vladgur 10mo ago