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Valve, please partner with Framework. I think this could be a great partnership in the future and the whole ecosystem as a whole.

by clvx 10mo ago

lavela 10mo ago
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- richwater 10mo ago
  Any additional context for those out of the loop?
  - KopyWasTaken 10mo ago
    This was the first blog that I found on the matter: https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ tldr; DHH is a controversial figure, and Framework are latching onto Omarchy. I think some folks think that Framework's image is being tarnished by working with DHH.
  - ap2025 10mo ago
    DHH is a controversial figure who increasingly comes out as tone deaf and perpetuating reactionary myths. It's not new either. https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/ https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-drop...
    - Spivak 10mo ago
      It really is so sad to see people get sucked into the alt-right pipeline and not even realize it despite it being so obvious from the outside that it's happening. For all his talk on indoctrination it's weird to suddenly have very specific opinions on a bunch of unrelated topics you have no personal involvement in, no expertise in, and tangible connection to. Even if you have feeling about some of these issues in passing no normal person with a dayjob becomes so prolific about all of them at once. Except, of course, that despite these issues not moving the needle on basically anything in daily life they are all connected as part of a grand conspiracy corrupt society in some nonspecific way and must be eradicated. In a way I really can't blame any individual because there's very little in the way of defenses against it but it's sad to see the cocktail of intelligence, arrogance, and fame mean that no one will ever be successful at pulling him out.
- zcdziura 10mo ago
  Why would Framework "distance" themselves from Omarchy? What's a Linux distro got to do with anything?
  - latexr 10mo ago
    The problem is not the distro per se, but the person behind it. https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/ https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug... https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/
    - lawlessone 10mo ago
      Unfortunately that is no longer an issue for many people.
      - akimbostrawman 10mo ago
        Must be horrible to not be able to witch hunt other people anymore that disagree with your options or ideology.
        lawlessone 10mo ago
        Which of your views do you feel you've been witch hunted over?
    - sophrosyne42 10mo ago
      i.e., not a problem.
    - rglynn 10mo ago
      So not really an issue unless you are someone who makes politics your religion. Fortunately for Framework, outside of select US metropolitan areas, that isn't particularly prevalent.
      - 10mo ago
- pie_flavor 10mo ago
  Valve most likely cares about more relevant things than idiotic Internet shitfights, such as functional technology, or paying customers.
- komali2 10mo ago
  No, right now the thread on the issue has spun out into basically one troll cat fighting with a bunch of people. https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/2205 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ... The timeline 1. Framework sent a laptop to DHH and sponsored his version of ruby conference, and promotes Omarchy, which DHH created, on social media. Also promoted hyprland. 2. Thread started, goes viral. People basically asking, "did you know DHH has some really weird and kinda gross blog posts dog whistling about how London isn't white anymore? Did you know there's hella transphobic joking going around in hyprland discord?" 3. Hyprland drama resolved when multiple users point out the main dev had a come to Jesus moment about their toxic community 4. Framework ceo Nirav makes a big post about how they're trying to create a "big tent" and push FOSS with this method. 5. Users point out that big tents with Nazis in it are just big Nazi tents (the Nazi bar issue, if you don't throw out the first Nazi that shows up to your bar, more will come, and normal customers will leave because nobody wants to be around Nazis, this, your bar is a Nazi bar now) 6. Predictably an ongoing fight about whether DHH is actually a fascist/ Nazi result in people saying things like "wait but I agree with him on the London thing," or worse, flagrant transphobia towards other users. This results in accusations against these users of they themselves being fascists or transphobes. 7. Some framework mod comes in to lay down the rules about how all other threads on this subject will be closed, this thread will be kept open in perpetuity and framework welcomes people to use it to criticize them or public figures or even organize a boycott if they want, however the mod requests people to not make transphobic comments or accuse other forum users of being fascists, as this will result in comment deletion. The ostensible goal: users attack public figures and not each other, and if a forum user vs forum user attack occurs, leaves it to the mods to deal with rather than everyone suddenly shouting "you're a transphobe! That's transphobic!" But the appearance: "we don't allow transphobes or anti-fascists here," or some other equivocation between being a transphobe/ fascist and being one who wants to point out that something is transphobic or fascist. I think it's a common pr "both sidesism" blunder community leaders make. 8. A shitstorm commences for a week. Silence from framework. Framework abandons most social media. 9. Framework's Linux community ambassadors relinquish their positions, citing Framework's silence on not being willing to say explicitly that they won't promote white supremacists/ fascists / DHH. That's where we're at today. I learned a lot from the thread. I'm an obnoxious little anarchist that discovered that apparently a lot of people thought framework was going to save us from consumerist e waste capitalism and by betraying other progressive goals they also can't be trusted now for the other mission, and so all hope is lost and so now the only thing left to do is go back to buying products from companies that probably have child slavery in their supply chain. I also discovered that trying to do just a bit of progressivism means you must be perfect in every way or people will revert to default capitalism mode out of spite, basically a liberal form of leftist infighting that someone described to me as "treatlerism."
- colordrops 10mo ago
  Wait so how many degrees of separation do you have to be before you are ok? I mean fucking come on, this is ridiculous. DHH's blog entries are ugly, but are we really saying that valve shouldn't do business with a hardware company because they do business with one guy that says shitty things on a blog? Any business larger than a certain size is gonna have a fan-out of hundreds if not thousands of business if you go 2 to 3 degrees of separation out. And they have to avoid any that have written mean blog posts? I'm sure like 20-30% of open source software has contributions from assholes. All chip manufacturers sell to military contractors and genocidal regimes. But valve should know not to do business with any chip manufacturers lol. Anyway
bogwog 10mo ago
What would a Framework partnership accomplish? Ship SteamOS as a preinstalled option for their laptops?
- robotnikman 10mo ago
  That actually would be a cool idea and doable.
  - nicce 10mo ago
    Framework could already do that if they want.
- justinsaccount 10mo ago
  You seem to be forgetting the framework desktop which is very similar in form factor to the new steam machine: https://frame.work/desktop https://frame.work/desktop
  - rafterydj 10mo ago
    I 100% see the Framework Desktop and Steam Machine less as competitors and more as separate flavors of the same form factor: Steam Machine for the lower priced, casual plug-n-play gaming use case, and Framework Desktop for the higher priced, professional use case. Seeing as the Steam Machine feels like a way to get traction for SteamOS just as much as it is a venture for selling hardware, a partnership between them selling Framework laptops/desktops verified for SteamOS seems like exactly the type of thing Valve would want.

Valve, please partner with Framework. I think this could be a great partnership in the future and the whole ecosystem as a whole.

by clvx 10mo ago

Valve, please partner with Framework. I think this could be a great partnership in the future and the whole ecosystem as a whole.

lavela 10mo ago

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richwater 10mo ago
Any additional context for those out of the loop?
- KopyWasTaken 10mo ago
  This was the first blog that I found on the matter: https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ tldr; DHH is a controversial figure, and Framework are latching onto Omarchy. I think some folks think that Framework's image is being tarnished by working with DHH.
- ap2025 10mo ago
  DHH is a controversial figure who increasingly comes out as tone deaf and perpetuating reactionary myths. It's not new either. https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/ https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-drop...
  - Spivak 10mo ago
    It really is so sad to see people get sucked into the alt-right pipeline and not even realize it despite it being so obvious from the outside that it's happening. For all his talk on indoctrination it's weird to suddenly have very specific opinions on a bunch of unrelated topics you have no personal involvement in, no expertise in, and tangible connection to. Even if you have feeling about some of these issues in passing no normal person with a dayjob becomes so prolific about all of them at once. Except, of course, that despite these issues not moving the needle on basically anything in daily life they are all connected as part of a grand conspiracy corrupt society in some nonspecific way and must be eradicated. In a way I really can't blame any individual because there's very little in the way of defenses against it but it's sad to see the cocktail of intelligence, arrogance, and fame mean that no one will ever be successful at pulling him out.
zcdziura 10mo ago
Why would Framework "distance" themselves from Omarchy? What's a Linux distro got to do with anything?
- latexr 10mo ago
  The problem is not the distro per se, but the person behind it. https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/ https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug... https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/ https://gardinerbryant.com/the-omarchy-framework-thing/
  - lawlessone 10mo ago
    Unfortunately that is no longer an issue for many people.
    - akimbostrawman 10mo ago
      Must be horrible to not be able to witch hunt other people anymore that disagree with your options or ideology.
      - lawlessone 10mo ago
        Which of your views do you feel you've been witch hunted over?
  - sophrosyne42 10mo ago
    i.e., not a problem.
  - rglynn 10mo ago
    So not really an issue unless you are someone who makes politics your religion. Fortunately for Framework, outside of select US metropolitan areas, that isn't particularly prevalent.
    - 10mo ago
pie_flavor 10mo ago
Valve most likely cares about more relevant things than idiotic Internet shitfights, such as functional technology, or paying customers.
komali2 10mo ago
No, right now the thread on the issue has spun out into basically one troll cat fighting with a bunch of people. https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/2205 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ... The timeline 1. Framework sent a laptop to DHH and sponsored his version of ruby conference, and promotes Omarchy, which DHH created, on social media. Also promoted hyprland. 2. Thread started, goes viral. People basically asking, "did you know DHH has some really weird and kinda gross blog posts dog whistling about how London isn't white anymore? Did you know there's hella transphobic joking going around in hyprland discord?" 3. Hyprland drama resolved when multiple users point out the main dev had a come to Jesus moment about their toxic community 4. Framework ceo Nirav makes a big post about how they're trying to create a "big tent" and push FOSS with this method. 5. Users point out that big tents with Nazis in it are just big Nazi tents (the Nazi bar issue, if you don't throw out the first Nazi that shows up to your bar, more will come, and normal customers will leave because nobody wants to be around Nazis, this, your bar is a Nazi bar now) 6. Predictably an ongoing fight about whether DHH is actually a fascist/ Nazi result in people saying things like "wait but I agree with him on the London thing," or worse, flagrant transphobia towards other users. This results in accusations against these users of they themselves being fascists or transphobes. 7. Some framework mod comes in to lay down the rules about how all other threads on this subject will be closed, this thread will be kept open in perpetuity and framework welcomes people to use it to criticize them or public figures or even organize a boycott if they want, however the mod requests people to not make transphobic comments or accuse other forum users of being fascists, as this will result in comment deletion. The ostensible goal: users attack public figures and not each other, and if a forum user vs forum user attack occurs, leaves it to the mods to deal with rather than everyone suddenly shouting "you're a transphobe! That's transphobic!" But the appearance: "we don't allow transphobes or anti-fascists here," or some other equivocation between being a transphobe/ fascist and being one who wants to point out that something is transphobic or fascist. I think it's a common pr "both sidesism" blunder community leaders make. 8. A shitstorm commences for a week. Silence from framework. Framework abandons most social media. 9. Framework's Linux community ambassadors relinquish their positions, citing Framework's silence on not being willing to say explicitly that they won't promote white supremacists/ fascists / DHH. That's where we're at today. I learned a lot from the thread. I'm an obnoxious little anarchist that discovered that apparently a lot of people thought framework was going to save us from consumerist e waste capitalism and by betraying other progressive goals they also can't be trusted now for the other mission, and so all hope is lost and so now the only thing left to do is go back to buying products from companies that probably have child slavery in their supply chain. I also discovered that trying to do just a bit of progressivism means you must be perfect in every way or people will revert to default capitalism mode out of spite, basically a liberal form of leftist infighting that someone described to me as "treatlerism."
colordrops 10mo ago
Wait so how many degrees of separation do you have to be before you are ok? I mean fucking come on, this is ridiculous. DHH's blog entries are ugly, but are we really saying that valve shouldn't do business with a hardware company because they do business with one guy that says shitty things on a blog? Any business larger than a certain size is gonna have a fan-out of hundreds if not thousands of business if you go 2 to 3 degrees of separation out. And they have to avoid any that have written mean blog posts? I'm sure like 20-30% of open source software has contributions from assholes. All chip manufacturers sell to military contractors and genocidal regimes. But valve should know not to do business with any chip manufacturers lol. Anyway

bogwog 10mo ago

What would a Framework partnership accomplish? Ship SteamOS as a preinstalled option for their laptops?

robotnikman 10mo ago
That actually would be a cool idea and doable.
- nicce 10mo ago
  Framework could already do that if they want.
justinsaccount 10mo ago
You seem to be forgetting the framework desktop which is very similar in form factor to the new steam machine: https://frame.work/desktop https://frame.work/desktop
- rafterydj 10mo ago
  I 100% see the Framework Desktop and Steam Machine less as competitors and more as separate flavors of the same form factor: Steam Machine for the lower priced, casual plug-n-play gaming use case, and Framework Desktop for the higher priced, professional use case. Seeing as the Steam Machine feels like a way to get traction for SteamOS just as much as it is a venture for selling hardware, a partnership between them selling Framework laptops/desktops verified for SteamOS seems like exactly the type of thing Valve would want.