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I use YouTube daily in safari and edge, this is complete hyperbole.

by gilfoy 10mo ago

phplovesong 10mo ago
Youtube is pretty unusable, as they throttle videos, and links sometimes dont work. It has gone downhill fast in recent years.
- ConceptJunkie 10mo ago
  I have no problems with YouTube at all. Perhaps it's because I pay for Premium (primarily to get YouTube music). Regardless, Google services getting worse over time is becoming a law rather than a tendency.
  - cons0le 10mo ago
    I don't get the value ad of youtube music. Everything's already on youtube and they let you make playlists, and they have playlists of the top charts already. What else does youtube music get you? I can play on my phone with the screen off with yt vanced ( and I would never pay just for that feature, because I remember when it was free and they took it away )
    - weaksauce 10mo ago
      > I can play on my phone with the screen off with yt vanced there's a lot of iphone/ipad users out there. > Everything's already on youtube and they let you make playlists, and they have playlists of the top charts already I don't use it but ui probably. ads maybe. plenty of people have money and don't want the inconvenience of trying to get around it.
    - j45 10mo ago
      You can play youtube videos (ad free) as music on any chromecast device including chromecast homes with the microphone turned off. Also, when playing music you won't be hit with ads. Your setup can move with you wherever you are, home, travel, in the vehicle. This can be helpful for engaging the audible sensors of small aliens sans screen. Youtube without ads on every device, anywhere, is quite a different experience.
    - charcircuit 10mo ago
      No ads on music, no ads on shorts (shorts are allowed to freely use copyrighted music unlike long form video), background playback, downloading music to your device. These all are big value ads for me.
    - jack_pp 10mo ago
      You get music discovery, radios, go to album, go to artist
    - raydev 10mo ago
      For me, it just comes with Premium, and I buy Premium to support the creators I watch often without having to watch ads. I want them to get paid.
  - anonym29 10mo ago
    Quick, everyone start sending unwanted junk mail to this guy's house, he'll pay you to stop!
    - dyselon 10mo ago
      Heaven forbid someone pay for an online service they use and enjoy.
      - a96 10mo ago
        I do, but not for services that treat their users (and content creators!) like YT does.
      - tripzilch 10mo ago
        Their point is that it's not "paying for" but it's "paying off".
        dyselon 10mo ago
        Sure, it's just a poor analogy. YouTube doesn't show up at your door unprompted as junk mail does. You go there intentionally for the purpose of watching a video. You can pay for that video with your time or your money. No one is being "paid off" in that scenario.
        anonym29 10mo ago
        Third option: I don't pay for it, I don't load the ads, and the trillion dollar company figures out a way to live with the economic consequences of their own decisions. The company voluntarily decided to serve the content at no charge to consumers, at the company's own expense, to the internet at large, with no reasonable expectation of any obligations from the people they're freely offering the content to. They're welcome to stop freely offering it the moment they decide they don't want to be the world's most popular video sharing and viewing platform anymore. Until then, neither I nor anyone else has any obligation to pay them, run any part of their front-end code (includig the ad-serving parts), or view any of their ads.
  - supportengineer 10mo ago
    No one ever got a promotion for maintaining software
- shermantanktop 10mo ago
  No idea what you are talking about. I don’t have premium and use in both logged in and logged out.
  - nancyminusone 10mo ago
    If I'm logged out, I get "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot" about once a week from both home and the office.
- ranger_danger 10mo ago
  No issues here for me with uBO, logged in or not, no premium
- kiwijamo 10mo ago
  They limit the buffer to around 30secs or so like all other streaming services but otherwise 95%+ of the time it just plays smoothing with no buffering at all from start to end. YouTube is generally in the top 3 of the video streaming services I use. Even on 4G wireless (which I occassionally use) it works well enough which is impressive as other video steaming services struggle (with the sole exception of Netflix which is probably the only one better than YouTube).
komali2 10mo ago
I run it in firefox. Today a video kept freezing when I scrolled down to load the comments. Sometimes I bizarrely have to scroll super far down to get past recommended videos to see the comments, which sometimes crashes the tab. On mobile (Firefox) I frequently have issues with videos freezing or videos crashing when I try to replay a section. I freely admit to holding google software to a higher standard than e.g. random FOSS tools I use or saas from startups, however I also believe google has the talent, time, and money to where their software should basically be the best on Earth, and it's kinda shocking how often it's not and in what ways it's not. And YouTube is how old now? The fact alone that I still can't toggle off Google maps "we found a faster route, tap ok to not change the route you change" thing...
zimpenfish 10mo ago
As a counter-anecdote, I use YouTube daily in Safari and it will not infrequently hang for tens of seconds when trying to load a video, occasionally play the sound without the video, reasonably frequently put the video over most of the page with no way to get to the controls, etc. (This may be because I have a whole swathe of adblockers, etc., plus I do a lot of `yt-dlp`ing from the same IP which may have me on a naughty list.)
- sebra 10mo ago
  I have the same issue. I think it's because I'm adblocking because if I try in chrome with no adblocker it loads the ads instantly. But eh either 5s of black screen or 60s of ads. I tried watching a 15 min yt video without adblock and it had 5 ad breaks with some unskippable ads.
  - zimpenfish 10mo ago
    > I tried watching a 15 min yt video without adblock and it had 5 ad breaks with some unskippable ads. Yeah - I watch most of my YouTubes on the Apple TV and the ads are a pestilence. Sometimes it'll be 50s pre-roll[1] with multiple 30-50s breaks for a 10m videos. Luckily there exist[0] many fine technologies that let you view them without ads via something like Infuse with a DLNA server if you're that way inclined. [0] Currently. YT-DLP is fighting the good fight but I don't know how much longer they'll be able to keep in front. But then I'll just stop watching YouTube, really, because it's a horror show without adblock/circumventions. [1] The video doesn't appear in your history until the pre-roll has finished which means if you can't be arsed sitting through a 50s pre-roll just that second and - at least on the Apple TV - you've not clicked on the video from your homepage / subscriptions, good luck trying to find it again unless you remember the name + channel etc. (which it also won't properly show you until after the pre-roll!)[2] [2] I hate YouTube corporate.
embedding-shape 10mo ago
That's a bit like complaining no cars have trouble because your Fiat doesn't have a problem. There are more browser engines out there than the ones you use, some in direct competition with Google themselves, maybe people using those engines are experiencing issues? Jumping to calling out "hyperbole!" sounds like hyperbole itself, since you don't actually have broad experience enough to say if that's true or not. FWIW, when I use Chromium (logged out/in) on Linux, everything works fine. If I use Firefox (logged in), it works worse. If I change the user-agent to Chromium in Firefox, I get faster buffering than when I use the default user-agent. Make of that what you will.
- darkwater 10mo ago
  > That's a bit like complaining no cars have trouble because your Fiat doesn't have a problem. No. Because even if it might be complicated, any website developer can test their website against a wide array of browsers, in a more or less automated way.
  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    So you're expecting Google engineers and managers to prioritize adding broad cross-browser support, which adds more work for them, when the same company is also developing a competing browser? No, Firefox always been a second-rate guest at Google properties, and I'm not expecting it to change soon either. Why would they make it better when status quo means more Chrome users (in their mind)?
    - badlibrarian 10mo ago
      It's not 2003, the browser isn't the battle. I would expect YouTube managers to pressure the Chrome managers, because YouTube brings in billions of dollars every month. Likewise I would expect the trend to move in favor of YouTube, because the browser loses money at an increasing amount and YouTube generates money at an increasing amount. 70% of YouTube happens on Mobile, and in the US more people are now watching on TVs than phones. Source: Nielsen, the old-school company that has huge influence over ads. The site pops a literal warning saying "having problems? turn off your ad blocker" so I'm not sure where the mysteries lie here. They're testing on thousands of devices. And they're probably even testing against ad-blockers on your bro-browser. But they're certainly not motivated to optimize that experience, so you get what you get.

I use YouTube daily in safari and edge, this is complete hyperbole.

by gilfoy 10mo ago

I use YouTube daily in safari and edge, this is complete hyperbole.

Youtube is pretty unusable, as they throttle videos, and links sometimes dont work. It has gone downhill fast in recent years.

ConceptJunkie 10mo ago
I have no problems with YouTube at all. Perhaps it's because I pay for Premium (primarily to get YouTube music). Regardless, Google services getting worse over time is becoming a law rather than a tendency.
- cons0le 10mo ago
  I don't get the value ad of youtube music. Everything's already on youtube and they let you make playlists, and they have playlists of the top charts already. What else does youtube music get you? I can play on my phone with the screen off with yt vanced ( and I would never pay just for that feature, because I remember when it was free and they took it away )
  - weaksauce 10mo ago
    > I can play on my phone with the screen off with yt vanced there's a lot of iphone/ipad users out there. > Everything's already on youtube and they let you make playlists, and they have playlists of the top charts already I don't use it but ui probably. ads maybe. plenty of people have money and don't want the inconvenience of trying to get around it.
  - j45 10mo ago
    You can play youtube videos (ad free) as music on any chromecast device including chromecast homes with the microphone turned off. Also, when playing music you won't be hit with ads. Your setup can move with you wherever you are, home, travel, in the vehicle. This can be helpful for engaging the audible sensors of small aliens sans screen. Youtube without ads on every device, anywhere, is quite a different experience.
  - charcircuit 10mo ago
    No ads on music, no ads on shorts (shorts are allowed to freely use copyrighted music unlike long form video), background playback, downloading music to your device. These all are big value ads for me.
  - jack_pp 10mo ago
    You get music discovery, radios, go to album, go to artist
  - raydev 10mo ago
    For me, it just comes with Premium, and I buy Premium to support the creators I watch often without having to watch ads. I want them to get paid.
- anonym29 10mo ago
  Quick, everyone start sending unwanted junk mail to this guy's house, he'll pay you to stop!
  - dyselon 10mo ago
    Heaven forbid someone pay for an online service they use and enjoy.
    - a96 10mo ago
      I do, but not for services that treat their users (and content creators!) like YT does.
    - tripzilch 10mo ago
      Their point is that it's not "paying for" but it's "paying off".
      - dyselon 10mo ago
        Sure, it's just a poor analogy. YouTube doesn't show up at your door unprompted as junk mail does. You go there intentionally for the purpose of watching a video. You can pay for that video with your time or your money. No one is being "paid off" in that scenario.
        anonym29 10mo ago
        Third option: I don't pay for it, I don't load the ads, and the trillion dollar company figures out a way to live with the economic consequences of their own decisions. The company voluntarily decided to serve the content at no charge to consumers, at the company's own expense, to the internet at large, with no reasonable expectation of any obligations from the people they're freely offering the content to. They're welcome to stop freely offering it the moment they decide they don't want to be the world's most popular video sharing and viewing platform anymore. Until then, neither I nor anyone else has any obligation to pay them, run any part of their front-end code (includig the ad-serving parts), or view any of their ads.
- supportengineer 10mo ago
  No one ever got a promotion for maintaining software
shermantanktop 10mo ago
No idea what you are talking about. I don’t have premium and use in both logged in and logged out.
- nancyminusone 10mo ago
  If I'm logged out, I get "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot" about once a week from both home and the office.
ranger_danger 10mo ago
No issues here for me with uBO, logged in or not, no premium
kiwijamo 10mo ago
They limit the buffer to around 30secs or so like all other streaming services but otherwise 95%+ of the time it just plays smoothing with no buffering at all from start to end. YouTube is generally in the top 3 of the video streaming services I use. Even on 4G wireless (which I occassionally use) it works well enough which is impressive as other video steaming services struggle (with the sole exception of Netflix which is probably the only one better than YouTube).

komali2 10mo ago

I run it in firefox. Today a video kept freezing when I scrolled down to load the comments. Sometimes I bizarrely have to scroll super far down to get past recommended videos to see the comments, which sometimes crashes the tab. On mobile (Firefox) I frequently have issues with videos freezing or videos crashing when I try to replay a section. I freely admit to holding google software to a higher standard than e.g. random FOSS tools I use or saas from startups, however I also believe google has the talent, time, and money to where their software should basically be the best on Earth, and it's kinda shocking how often it's not and in what ways it's not. And YouTube is how old now? The fact alone that I still can't toggle off Google maps "we found a faster route, tap ok to not change the route you change" thing...

zimpenfish 10mo ago

As a counter-anecdote, I use YouTube daily in Safari and it will not infrequently hang for tens of seconds when trying to load a video, occasionally play the sound without the video, reasonably frequently put the video over most of the page with no way to get to the controls, etc. (This may be because I have a whole swathe of adblockers, etc., plus I do a lot of `yt-dlp`ing from the same IP which may have me on a naughty list.)

sebra 10mo ago
I have the same issue. I think it's because I'm adblocking because if I try in chrome with no adblocker it loads the ads instantly. But eh either 5s of black screen or 60s of ads. I tried watching a 15 min yt video without adblock and it had 5 ad breaks with some unskippable ads.
- zimpenfish 10mo ago
  > I tried watching a 15 min yt video without adblock and it had 5 ad breaks with some unskippable ads. Yeah - I watch most of my YouTubes on the Apple TV and the ads are a pestilence. Sometimes it'll be 50s pre-roll[1] with multiple 30-50s breaks for a 10m videos. Luckily there exist[0] many fine technologies that let you view them without ads via something like Infuse with a DLNA server if you're that way inclined. [0] Currently. YT-DLP is fighting the good fight but I don't know how much longer they'll be able to keep in front. But then I'll just stop watching YouTube, really, because it's a horror show without adblock/circumventions. [1] The video doesn't appear in your history until the pre-roll has finished which means if you can't be arsed sitting through a 50s pre-roll just that second and - at least on the Apple TV - you've not clicked on the video from your homepage / subscriptions, good luck trying to find it again unless you remember the name + channel etc. (which it also won't properly show you until after the pre-roll!)[2] [2] I hate YouTube corporate.

embedding-shape 10mo ago

That's a bit like complaining no cars have trouble because your Fiat doesn't have a problem. There are more browser engines out there than the ones you use, some in direct competition with Google themselves, maybe people using those engines are experiencing issues? Jumping to calling out "hyperbole!" sounds like hyperbole itself, since you don't actually have broad experience enough to say if that's true or not. FWIW, when I use Chromium (logged out/in) on Linux, everything works fine. If I use Firefox (logged in), it works worse. If I change the user-agent to Chromium in Firefox, I get faster buffering than when I use the default user-agent. Make of that what you will.

darkwater 10mo ago
> That's a bit like complaining no cars have trouble because your Fiat doesn't have a problem. No. Because even if it might be complicated, any website developer can test their website against a wide array of browsers, in a more or less automated way.
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  So you're expecting Google engineers and managers to prioritize adding broad cross-browser support, which adds more work for them, when the same company is also developing a competing browser? No, Firefox always been a second-rate guest at Google properties, and I'm not expecting it to change soon either. Why would they make it better when status quo means more Chrome users (in their mind)?
  - badlibrarian 10mo ago
    It's not 2003, the browser isn't the battle. I would expect YouTube managers to pressure the Chrome managers, because YouTube brings in billions of dollars every month. Likewise I would expect the trend to move in favor of YouTube, because the browser loses money at an increasing amount and YouTube generates money at an increasing amount. 70% of YouTube happens on Mobile, and in the US more people are now watching on TVs than phones. Source: Nielsen, the old-school company that has huge influence over ads. The site pops a literal warning saying "having problems? turn off your ad blocker" so I'm not sure where the mysteries lie here. They're testing on thousands of devices. And they're probably even testing against ad-blockers on your bro-browser. But they're certainly not motivated to optimize that experience, so you get what you get.