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Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

by reboot81 10mo ago

sfgvvxsfccdd 10mo ago
> But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me. Author doesn’t. Not sure who you are disagreeing with.
jjtheblunt 10mo ago
it does if you're clickbaiting via ragebait, like she is?
- veleek 10mo ago
  I think it’s a stretch to say the author is blaming Apple in the title and she explicitly calls out in the very first section: > But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me.
cbsmith 10mo ago
> But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me. I don't think there's any blaming of Apple going on here. This is about dealing with the practical realities of the circumstances for people in the UK.
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cjs_ac 10mo ago
Unlike most writing about politics, the article isn't arguing that 'those are the bad people over there'. The article describes a current aspect of reality and how it came about, and suggests a way of responding to that reality.
- smsm42 10mo ago
  The right way to respond to this reality would be to stop UK government from being insane by electing a more sane government. Stopping using iphones is going to help only for a short term - once encryption is de-legalized, they will come for everybody who they deem worth coming for, sooner or later. If it'll require introducing licenses to run encryption software and mandating key escrow, they'd do that. Yes, you still would be able to sneak in encrypting software on USB drive hidden in your... let's say, pocket. But the mere fact of using it would make you a criminal then. That's the natural progression of where it is going, unfortunately.
  - zanellato19 10mo ago
    That isn't a reasonable response because governments can't be changed in a whim and aren't controlled by a single person, two good things.
    - smsm42 10mo ago
      UK government had been consistently working in this direction for decades. It's not "on a whim", it's a known and consistent policy, and yet there's no substantial resistance and pushback. The only reasonable conclusion is that the majority of the population is OK with what's going on.
criddell 10mo ago
The writer isn't blaming Apple.
- sedatk 10mo ago
  The title certainly disagrees.
  - dare944 10mo ago
    I does not in the slightest. Rather, It suggests it's time to start removing Apple entanglements from your digital life, for reasons that are described in the article.
    - sedatk 10mo ago
      See my sibling comment.
  - caconym_ 10mo ago
    No, it doesn't. If I get up in the morning and say "time to get out of the house" I am not blaming my house for anything; I am simply articulating that I want or need to be somewhere else, for whatever reason.
    - sedatk 10mo ago
      Eh, the whole "de-Brand" lingo comes from "de-Googling" which has unambiguously blamed Google for the act. The use of the same type of terminology automatically implies the same set of circumstances. When you say "time to de-CocaCola" while all soda products are susceptible to a certain health hazard, you can't say "Obviously, CocaCola isn't being blamed here". The analog of your example would be "time to get out of the cloud" for the article.
      - caconym_ 10mo ago
        The issue is specific to Apple! IIUC they're the only mainstream cloud storage provider that provides E2EE, and I'm sure many of their customers chose them over their competitors for that reason.
thenthenthen 10mo ago
Apple obeys the law. They operate in countries where you can not vote.
encom 10mo ago
England has been speedrunning the dystopian surveillance police state for a while now, through numerous governments. Voting is pointless. Same (but different) in Denmark where politicians vote to give themselves more money[1], snoop on everything[2], violate our constitution unpunished[3], delete evidence of corruption[4], open the borders[5], etc. etc. etc. I used to care - a lot - I really did. But I'm done. [1]https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/ny-aftale-politikeres-loen-bliver-haevet-men-livslang-pension-forsvinder https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/ny-aftale-politikeres-loen... [2]https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/i-dag-traeder-de-nye-logningsregler-i-kraft/ https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/i-dag-tra... [3]https://www.information.dk/indland/2020/12/jurister-ja-grundlovsbrud-goer-minkskandalen-stoerre https://www.information.dk/indland/2020/12/jurister-ja-grund... [4]https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/politisk-flertal-presser-mette-frederiksen-til-fremlaegge-startdato-paa-sms-sletning https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/politisk-flertal-presser-m... [5]https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/INTEGRATION-STATUS-OG-UDVIKLING https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/INTEGRATION...
- graemep 10mo ago
  Might come across as pedantic, but its important, "the UK" not "England". Confusing the two can upset people, especially those from the rest of the UK. Personally I do not think its just the UK and Denmark, its pretty much everywhere.
  - encom 10mo ago
    I specified England because I don't know what's going on in the rest of the Kingdom. Might be just as bad, I dunno.
    - graemep 10mo ago
      The surveillance laws are all UK wide AFAIK. Some policy with regard to policing is devolved so there might be some small differences in how they are applied, but it is essentially just as bad.
    - tonyedgecombe 10mo ago
infinitezest 10mo ago
It must be nice to live somewhere that has politicians that represent the will of the people enough to have a take like this. Where I live, your vote only counts if you have enough money.
- vkou 10mo ago
  You're asking for a monkey's paw. The current ruling party in the US has given its voters exactly what they think they wanted, and it's a fucking disaster.
  - pessimizer 10mo ago
    Because no matter who they vote for, they get this. The previous ruling party hasn't had a real primary since 2008 (and didn't even go through the motions in 2024.) H. Clinton makes a fairly good case that even that one was fixed (because they knew the best horse to bet on.) No matter who you vote for you get Hillary Clinton's governance, though. She's become very complimentary about Trump's foreign policy.
  - infinitezest 10mo ago
    What specifically are you referring to here?
  - al_borland 10mo ago
    My day-to-day life has never been impacted by who is in the White House. Where is the disaster?
    - mlrtime 10mo ago
      I saw this all the time to people. What happens in the white house doesn't affect people nearly as much as what happens locally, but its a 'disaster'?
    - goatlover 10mo ago
      What a completely selfish and myopic view of politics. Do you not watch the news? Also a very bad reading of history, thinking all those bad things like 1930s Germany can't happen here when enough people let it happen.
fsflover 10mo ago
> Apple obeys the law No, they don't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45854441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45854441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44529061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44529061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45492410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45492410
ubermonkey 10mo ago
Did you read the article? She doesn't blame Apple. Sixth paragraph: "But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me."
raxxorraxor 10mo ago
Wrong or painfully naive. Politics has to deal with realities. If the net wasn't engineered to be resistant to censorship, we probably wouldn't even be talking accross borders right now.

Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

> But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me. Author doesn’t. Not sure who you are disagreeing with.

jjtheblunt 10mo ago

it does if you're clickbaiting via ragebait, like she is?

veleek 10mo ago
I think it’s a stretch to say the author is blaming Apple in the title and she explicitly calls out in the very first section: > But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me.

cbsmith 10mo ago

> But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me. I don't think there's any blaming of Apple going on here. This is about dealing with the practical realities of the circumstances for people in the UK.

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cjs_ac 10mo ago

Unlike most writing about politics, the article isn't arguing that 'those are the bad people over there'. The article describes a current aspect of reality and how it came about, and suggests a way of responding to that reality.

smsm42 10mo ago
The right way to respond to this reality would be to stop UK government from being insane by electing a more sane government. Stopping using iphones is going to help only for a short term - once encryption is de-legalized, they will come for everybody who they deem worth coming for, sooner or later. If it'll require introducing licenses to run encryption software and mandating key escrow, they'd do that. Yes, you still would be able to sneak in encrypting software on USB drive hidden in your... let's say, pocket. But the mere fact of using it would make you a criminal then. That's the natural progression of where it is going, unfortunately.
- zanellato19 10mo ago
  That isn't a reasonable response because governments can't be changed in a whim and aren't controlled by a single person, two good things.
  - smsm42 10mo ago
    UK government had been consistently working in this direction for decades. It's not "on a whim", it's a known and consistent policy, and yet there's no substantial resistance and pushback. The only reasonable conclusion is that the majority of the population is OK with what's going on.

criddell 10mo ago

The writer isn't blaming Apple.

sedatk 10mo ago
The title certainly disagrees.
- dare944 10mo ago
  I does not in the slightest. Rather, It suggests it's time to start removing Apple entanglements from your digital life, for reasons that are described in the article.
  - sedatk 10mo ago
    See my sibling comment.
- caconym_ 10mo ago
  No, it doesn't. If I get up in the morning and say "time to get out of the house" I am not blaming my house for anything; I am simply articulating that I want or need to be somewhere else, for whatever reason.
  - sedatk 10mo ago
    Eh, the whole "de-Brand" lingo comes from "de-Googling" which has unambiguously blamed Google for the act. The use of the same type of terminology automatically implies the same set of circumstances. When you say "time to de-CocaCola" while all soda products are susceptible to a certain health hazard, you can't say "Obviously, CocaCola isn't being blamed here". The analog of your example would be "time to get out of the cloud" for the article.
    - caconym_ 10mo ago
      The issue is specific to Apple! IIUC they're the only mainstream cloud storage provider that provides E2EE, and I'm sure many of their customers chose them over their competitors for that reason.

thenthenthen 10mo ago

Apple obeys the law. They operate in countries where you can not vote.

encom 10mo ago

England has been speedrunning the dystopian surveillance police state for a while now, through numerous governments. Voting is pointless. Same (but different) in Denmark where politicians vote to give themselves more money[1], snoop on everything[2], violate our constitution unpunished[3], delete evidence of corruption[4], open the borders[5], etc. etc. etc. I used to care - a lot - I really did. But I'm done. [1]https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/ny-aftale-politikeres-loen-bliver-haevet-men-livslang-pension-forsvinder https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/ny-aftale-politikeres-loen... [2]https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/i-dag-traeder-de-nye-logningsregler-i-kraft/ https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/i-dag-tra... [3]https://www.information.dk/indland/2020/12/jurister-ja-grundlovsbrud-goer-minkskandalen-stoerre https://www.information.dk/indland/2020/12/jurister-ja-grund... [4]https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/politisk-flertal-presser-mette-frederiksen-til-fremlaegge-startdato-paa-sms-sletning https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/politisk-flertal-presser-m... [5]https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/INTEGRATION-STATUS-OG-UDVIKLING https://integrationsbarometer.dk/tal-og-analyser/INTEGRATION...

graemep 10mo ago
Might come across as pedantic, but its important, "the UK" not "England". Confusing the two can upset people, especially those from the rest of the UK. Personally I do not think its just the UK and Denmark, its pretty much everywhere.
- encom 10mo ago
  I specified England because I don't know what's going on in the rest of the Kingdom. Might be just as bad, I dunno.
  - graemep 10mo ago
    The surveillance laws are all UK wide AFAIK. Some policy with regard to policing is devolved so there might be some small differences in how they are applied, but it is essentially just as bad.
  - tonyedgecombe 10mo ago

infinitezest 10mo ago

It must be nice to live somewhere that has politicians that represent the will of the people enough to have a take like this. Where I live, your vote only counts if you have enough money.

vkou 10mo ago
You're asking for a monkey's paw. The current ruling party in the US has given its voters exactly what they think they wanted, and it's a fucking disaster.
- pessimizer 10mo ago
  Because no matter who they vote for, they get this. The previous ruling party hasn't had a real primary since 2008 (and didn't even go through the motions in 2024.) H. Clinton makes a fairly good case that even that one was fixed (because they knew the best horse to bet on.) No matter who you vote for you get Hillary Clinton's governance, though. She's become very complimentary about Trump's foreign policy.
- infinitezest 10mo ago
  What specifically are you referring to here?
- al_borland 10mo ago
  My day-to-day life has never been impacted by who is in the White House. Where is the disaster?
  - mlrtime 10mo ago
    I saw this all the time to people. What happens in the white house doesn't affect people nearly as much as what happens locally, but its a 'disaster'?
  - goatlover 10mo ago
    What a completely selfish and myopic view of politics. Do you not watch the news? Also a very bad reading of history, thinking all those bad things like 1930s Germany can't happen here when enough people let it happen.

fsflover 10mo ago

> Apple obeys the law No, they don't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45854441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45854441 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44529061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44529061 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45492410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45492410

ubermonkey 10mo ago

Did you read the article? She doesn't blame Apple. Sixth paragraph: "But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me."

raxxorraxor 10mo ago

Wrong or painfully naive. Politics has to deal with realities. If the net wasn't engineered to be resistant to censorship, we probably wouldn't even be talking accross borders right now.