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Pods work great for me, and I love not having crumbs of powder under the sink, or a bottle of liquid detergent with encrusted drips down the side. It's just gro

• lurking_swe 11mo ago
  if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. This reminds me of how some of my house guests will accidentally splash water all over the bathroom counter and even the mirror when they wash up in the morning. I don’t say anything, to be polite, but they clearly lack technique lol. This works for me: 0. store the dishwasher powder (box) under sink. 1. Open dishwasher door 2. grab box, place OVER the opened door. 3. dispense powder into cartridge in door (with spoon, tilting box, etc) 4. put spoon back in box OR fully tilt box back upright. “Crumbs” will drop onto the door, that’s OK. 5. move box back under sink. Even if I was messy, I personally couldn’t make myself spend 5x on pods to avoid cleaning crumbs under the sink once a month. When i think of convenience i think of a dishwasher saving me hours every month. Not saving 10 seconds a month to wipe crumbs under the sink. :-) We clearly all have different preferences and ideas of “convenience”. I respect that.
  • johnfn 11mo ago
    > if you have powder crumbs under your sink you might need to improve your technique. With a pod there is no technique to be improved. They just work, every single time.
    • nixpulvis 11mo ago
      Except if you get even a drop of water in the pod storage bin and they fuse together and you have to carefully rip them apart.
    • ruraljuror 11mo ago
      I have a bad habit of not fully drying my hands when retrieving pods. The pods all clump together if they get wet. This is one of the many reasons I prefer powder.
      • throwaway2037 11mo ago
        "if they get wet". Ok, so don't get them wet. If not wet, did you ever consider using chopsticks to pick one out of the bag/container? That might work well.
        • recursive 11mo ago
          Sounds like a technique improvement. But wait, I was just told there "was no technique to improve". I find it easier to just use the powder.
    • lurking_swe 11mo ago
      And I totally get the appeal of paying for “convenience”! But saving a few seconds a week? Very weak argument i’m afraid.
    • ThePowerOfFuet 11mo ago
      > They just work, every single time. The point of this series of videos is that for many people they don't.
• tonymet 11mo ago
  The issue of letting consumers choose the worse product is that the good products get pushed out of the market. Grocery floorspace that was once primarily staples and whole foods is mostly now junkfood. Proper razors have been replaced with disposables. Skincare & toothpaste products contain sodium laureth sulfate , which lathers well, but causes mouth sores and skin irritation. Letting consumers choose usually ends up optimizing superficial and sometimes harmful traits.
  • throwaway2037 11mo ago
    > Skincare & toothpaste products contain sodium laureth sulfate , which lathers well, but causes mouth sores and skin irritation. This is only true for sensitive individuals. Billions of people use these products every day and have no issues.
    • benkaiser 10mo ago
      Counter-example... some people have no idea that SLS is causing these issues and just chalk it up to how things are. I recently switched to an SLS free toothpaste but it was really hard to track one down that still had flouride in it!
      • throwaway2037 10mo ago
        > it was really hard to track one down that still had flouride in it Oh, so you are one of those tin foil hat types that does not want fluoride in their toothpaste or drinking water? What the hell is it with fluoride and Internet randos? There is always one who pops into a discussion who has a hysterical story about why they avoid it. Repeating from my previous post, but this time about fluoride: <<Billions of people use X every day and have no issues.>>
        • tonymet 10mo ago
          you can't possibly look at chronic health over the past 30 years and conclude "no issues".
• a_wild_dandan 11mo ago
  His specific thesis is that pods fundamentally clean worse than powder because they're inherently single-stage releases of detergent in machines designed for two-stage releases. Despite this, he still explicitly says that pods have their uses. So I'm unclear on how his goal is "proving that everyone is wrong." Did we watch different videos?
  • tguvot 11mo ago
    Is there list of machines that designed for two stage releases?
    • TiredOfLife 11mo ago
      All of them
      • tguvot 11mo ago
        i have dishwasher that is loaded with cartridge that has 400g of powder. ideal scenario for dispensing detergent at will. yet, never mind what cycle I am using, it dispensed only during main wash cycle. i also had in past machines from 5 different manufacturers. none of them had mechanisms that facilitate 2 releases or pre-wash compartments
        • TiredOfLife 11mo ago
          > i also had in past machines from 5 different manufacturers. none of them had mechanisms that facilitate 2 releases or pre-wash compartments did you check the manual? I think in a previous video he mentioned that for machines like that it was stated in manual to add powder for prewash directly in the machine.
          • tguvot 11mo ago
            they all washed dishes just fine without any prewash powder added. somebody "here" even quoted bosch manual that there is no need in prewash powder. i most of the time use cycle that doesn't even has prewash
• barbazoo 11mo ago
  I used an old container with a 3" lid and a handle, and fill it regularly with the cheap dishwasher powder that I buy in bulk. I put a whole in the screw on lid so I can just pour out the powder. 98% clean and much much cheaper than any pods and much better for the environment because the packaging is all paper.
• orev 11mo ago
  With pods you can’t add some detergent to the prewash while adding the rest to the main wash cycle. That’s the thing that makes one of the biggest differences.
  • selcuka 11mo ago
    You can still add powder to the prewash dispenser.
    • apparent 11mo ago
      So do a pod and detergent powder? No thanks.
  • seattlematt 11mo ago
    Seems like a market opportunity for dual pod packets.
  • emtel 11mo ago
    Yes but my dishes come out spotless with pods, so I don't need to change anything to make them cleaner.
• apsurd 11mo ago
  I'm 1.5 minutes in and I already learned to purge cold water from the pipes before running the dishwasher. Assuming this is evidence based and true, I mean come on! Is it really so alarming to see someone deep dive hard and do the work to mass educate the public?
  • russdill 11mo ago
    It seems like it would be trivial for the machine to pump water in, turn on the heating element, and wait until it reaches optimum temperature before beginning the cycle.
    • tguvot 11mo ago
      This is what most (all?) of machines do. Heat water when they need hot water
      • Groxx 11mo ago
        depends very much on where you are, unfortunately. in USA, this is definitely not the case, they're almost all incredibly dumb. especially the cheapest-possible models that most renters are forced to use (and renters account for about a third of all households). as a concrete example, the video has a section in it where he shows that his doesn't so any sensing - hot or cold water have exactly the same timing on the heater's use (and resulting water temperature graphs). so like. I agree with you that it should be true, it's simple and cheap to implement and it obviously works better. unfortunately it's not a sane reality for tens (hundreds?) of millions of people.
        • tguvot 11mo ago
          i am in usa. rented few times here. both in apartment complexes and houses. cheapest GE dishwasher that i found now - $349 heats water. of course, for video he could go and find some ancient dishwasher that doesn't heat water just to make a point (or maybe he has a broken one ? ), but i think it will be outlier today.