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But then who can? No global cloud providers, including Hetzner and OVH, are free from CLOUD act because they have US presence[1]. 1. https://us.ovhcloud.com/le
by josephh 11mo ago
But then who can? No global cloud providers, including Hetzner and OVH, are free from CLOUD act because they have US presence[1].
1. https://us.ovhcloud.com/legal/faqs/cloud-act/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/legal/faqs/cloud-act/
- dboreham 11mo agoI'm guessing: Russia?
- blackoil 11mo agohttps://www.alibabacloud.com/en?_p_lc=1 https://www.alibabacloud.com/en?_p_lc=1
- immibis 11mo agoPossibly only their US subsidiaries though?
- Sayrus 11mo agoOVHCloud US is a different company from the rest of the world. https://blog.ovhcloud.com/cloud-data-act/ https://blog.ovhcloud.com/cloud-data-act/
- josephh 11mo agoYou can't just spin up an LLC and call it a separate company. OVHCloud is still OVHCloud US' subsidiary company. From the FAQ page I linked: > In accordance with our Privacy Policy, OVHcloud will comply with lawful requests from public authorities. Under the CLOUD Act, that could include data stored outside of the United States. OVHcloud will consider the availability of legal mechanisms to quash or modify requests as permitted by the CLOUD Act.
- kgwgk 11mo ago> OVHCloud is still OVHCloud US' subsidiary company. It’s the other way around. > From the FAQ page I linked: Which is for the US company.
- lawlessone 11mo ago>You can't just spin up an LLC and call it a separate company. You can actually. Becton Dickson did it and shafted loads of their employees by saying they no longer have pensions with them.
- formerly_proven 11mo agoThe separation is even in the URLs, all the locales are using paths, except the US, which lives under us.ovhcloud.com. All locales use a customer console hosted at ovh.com, except the US, which has it under us.ovhcloud.com.
- kvad987 11mo ago[dead]
- timeon 11mo agoWho? You can use Hetzner and OVH proper instead of US subsidiaries. Using AWS/Azure/GC in Europe these days is pretty risky for more than one reason.
- AlanYx 11mo agoFISA and the Stored Communications Act as modified by the CLOUD Act don't distinguish between (i) parent company overseas + US subsidiary and (ii) parent company in US + foreign subsidiary. In both instances the US asserts personal jurisdiction, extending to wherever the data is stored geographically.
- fukka42 11mo agoThe US has no authority whatsoever over a foreign parent company. The US subsidiary also has no access to "foreign" data.
- potsandpans 11mo agoThe US by and large can (and does) assert authority outside of its jurisdiction, from which another country can choose to capitulate. Most of the time countries do, because they are all swapping data on their citizens between themselves to skirt various laws. In the case where the US really wants something, and the country won't yield, they'll fund contras or destabilize the government (if small enough to be bullied) or impose sanctions so drastic it's effectively a soft act of war. This is all to say that, the US has nearly unlimited authority while it stands as the world's defacto superpower.
- fukka42 11mo agoThey can assert what they want, they have no way to enforce it. Pretty funny you're jumping straight to warfare. This proves why Americans cannot be trusted. In any case, it's better for me that the Americans will need to start a war with the EU to get at my data instead of just giving it to them.
- jeffrallen 11mo agoExoscale is a European cloud provider with no exposure to the CLOUD Act. (I work there.)