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with the same success the study refutes the researchers' religious belief in the truth

E-Reverance 11mo ago
Just for reference, the main author's stance on god : https://youtu.be/k_VBzweMIlM?t=125 https://youtu.be/k_VBzweMIlM?t=125
junon 11mo ago
I would imagine the hand-wavey response might not be far away from "God is not algorithmic".
- MangoToupe 11mo ago
  The concept of "god" and "simulated universe" seem to be essentially the same
  - junon 11mo ago
    I'm an atheist, but I can tell you that no, they are not - at least not to many believers.
    - MangoToupe 11mo ago
      From the perspective of empirical analysis—how?
      - junon 11mo ago
        I'd say the question is flawed (at least, in this context); religion is purposefully the opposite of empiricism for most everyone I know, anecdotally. Hence why it's given the term "faith".
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        MangoToupe 11mo ago
        Exactly. How do you formulate "simulation" without such faith? The idea of demonstrating evidence of either god or simulation is equally nonsensical. The people grasping for such might as well grasp for the spaghetti monster.
        Dylan16807 11mo ago
        > The idea of demonstrating evidence of either god or simulation is equally nonsensical. Finding evidence is nonsensical if you assume they set everything up perfectly and have never intervened. That is a stupendously huge "if".
        junon 11mo ago
        Realistically, the same could be said about the simulation theory. I don't really buy the article as-written, despite also not personally believing we're in a simulation.
        MangoToupe 11mo ago
        > Finding evidence is nonsensical if you assume they set everything up perfectly and have never intervene. Good luck. I don't know why anyone would spend money on this but... sure, go ahead. Let's go back to the tenth century. WHy not? We burn money are far stupider shit.
        Dylan16807 11mo ago
        I have no idea what you're talking about. Spend money on what? The main thing I'm trying to imply is that if Jesus shows up and starts doing miracles constantly, the proof gets pretty simple. Same thing if someone sticks their digital finger into a simulation. Demonstrating the evidence would be pretty straightforward.
        11mo ago

Just for reference, the main author's stance on god : https://youtu.be/k_VBzweMIlM?t=125 https://youtu.be/k_VBzweMIlM?t=125

junon 11mo ago

I would imagine the hand-wavey response might not be far away from "God is not algorithmic".

MangoToupe 11mo ago
The concept of "god" and "simulated universe" seem to be essentially the same
- junon 11mo ago
  I'm an atheist, but I can tell you that no, they are not - at least not to many believers.
  - MangoToupe 11mo ago
    From the perspective of empirical analysis—how?
    - junon 11mo ago
      I'd say the question is flawed (at least, in this context); religion is purposefully the opposite of empiricism for most everyone I know, anecdotally. Hence why it's given the term "faith".
      - deleted 11mo ago
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      - MangoToupe 11mo ago
        Exactly. How do you formulate "simulation" without such faith? The idea of demonstrating evidence of either god or simulation is equally nonsensical. The people grasping for such might as well grasp for the spaghetti monster.
        Dylan16807 11mo ago
        > The idea of demonstrating evidence of either god or simulation is equally nonsensical. Finding evidence is nonsensical if you assume they set everything up perfectly and have never intervened. That is a stupendously huge "if".
        junon 11mo ago
        Realistically, the same could be said about the simulation theory. I don't really buy the article as-written, despite also not personally believing we're in a simulation.
        MangoToupe 11mo ago
        > Finding evidence is nonsensical if you assume they set everything up perfectly and have never intervene. Good luck. I don't know why anyone would spend money on this but... sure, go ahead. Let's go back to the tenth century. WHy not? We burn money are far stupider shit.
        Dylan16807 11mo ago
        I have no idea what you're talking about. Spend money on what? The main thing I'm trying to imply is that if Jesus shows up and starts doing miracles constantly, the proof gets pretty simple. Same thing if someone sticks their digital finger into a simulation. Demonstrating the evidence would be pretty straightforward.
        11mo ago