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It’s a computer it does not think stop it
by cp9 11mo ago
It’s a computer it does not think stop it
- empath75 11mo agoAll intelligent systems must arise from non-intelligent components.
- codingdave 11mo agoExcept that is not true. Single-celled organisms perform independent acts. That may be tiny, but it is intelligence. Every living being more complex than that is built from that smallest bit of intelligence.
- measurablefunc 11mo agoNot clear at all why that would be the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_gap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_gap. It must be confessed, moreover, that perception, & that which depends on it, are inexplicable by mechanical causes, that is, by figures & motions, And, supposing that there were a mechanism so constructed as to think, feel & have perception, we might enter it as into a mill. And this granted, we should only find on visiting it, pieces which push one against another, but never anything by which to explain a perception. This must be sought, therefore, in the simple substance, & not in the composite or in the machine. — Gottfried Leibniz, Monadology, sect. 17
- measurablefunc 11mo agoThe only sensible comment in the entire thread.
- astrange 11mo agoI looked this up the other day and "reasoning" in AI is used as far back as McCarthy (1959), and was certainly well established for expert systems in the 80s, so I think it's a little late to complain about it.
- measurablefunc 11mo agoMcCarthy wasn't infallible & the initial founders of the field were so full of themselves that they thought they were going to have the whole thing figured out in less than one summer. The hype has always been an established part of the AI culture but the people who uncritically buy into it deserve all the ridicule that comes their way. Computers can't think. Boolean logic is not a sufficient explanation for cognition & never will be.
- astrange 11mo agoI think it's very unlikely, in fact physically impossible, that brains are a higher complexity class than classical computers.
- measurablefunc 11mo agoI've heard that enough times to know it's a meme b/c no one who says that has an answer why classical computers can not do what a single cell can do. This is before we even get to the unphysical abstractions of infinite tapes & infinite energies inherent in the notion of a Turing machine. Basically, your position is not serious b/c you haven't actually thought about what you're saying.
- astrange 11mo agoComputers don't "do" things in the first place, they compute things. The rest is side effects. You have to ignore those, otherwise you've declared all computers quantum computers because parts of it use quantum effects.
- baq 11mo agoBrain is a computer, change my mind
- DangitBobby 11mo agoBending over backwards to avoid any hint of anthropromorphization in any LLM thread is one of my least favorite things about HN. It's tired. We fucking know. For anyone who doesn't know, saying it for the 1 billionth time isn't going to change that.