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Err... yeah, because that's what USA based companies are known for - PII protection and data privacy?!? Maybe there is some more complexity to this argument, t

by rprwhite 11mo ago

Err... yeah, because that's what USA based companies are known for - PII protection and data privacy?!? Maybe there is some more complexity to this argument, that I'm missing. But, it's not one that has merit without justification.

jonas21 11mo ago
Well, yes. Compared to most countries that have signed this treaty, the US has excellent protections for PII and data privacy. But that's beside the point. The most objectionable parts are about state surveillance and the potential for human rights abuses. For example, here's what the EFF had to say about it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/07/effs-concerns-about-un-draft-cybercrime-convention https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/07/effs-concerns-about-un...
- twothreeone 11mo ago
  I wouldn't exactly call them "excellent", but yeah I think the big caveat is > the US has excellent protections for PII and data privacy *for _US nationals_ :)
  - whimsicalism 11mo ago
    actually mostly for EU nationals :)
- topadmin 11mo ago
  At what level do you think American PII protection is working? I can't go to a dentist/medical/eye appointment without the office staff looking me up or adding to some kind of unethical dark web profile. Maybe the data at rest is secure but it doesn't really matter when the staff is leaking all the data as it is getting stored in their systems.
whimsicalism 11mo ago
US-based companies probably have the most sophisticated PII & data privacy compliance schemes globally. Sure, that's mostly due to obligations imposed on them by jurisdictions outside of the US, but it is still true.
- ignoramous 11mo ago
  We're talking about privacy / data (ab)use for military purposes. Those compliance schemes you speak of matter naught.
  - whimsicalism 11mo ago
    > We're talking about privacy / data (ab)use for military purposes. What? No, we're not. What gave you that impression?
Aurornis 11mo ago
Is your argument that because you don’t think US companies are good at PII, we need to force those companies to share their PII with 70 other countries on request? > Maybe there is some more complexity to this argument, that I'm missing. I think you’re missing the entire argument. Why would it be a good thing for a country to volunteer its’ companies PII through a treaty with foreign governments like Russia, North Korea, and China?

jonas21 11mo ago

Well, yes. Compared to most countries that have signed this treaty, the US has excellent protections for PII and data privacy. But that's beside the point. The most objectionable parts are about state surveillance and the potential for human rights abuses. For example, here's what the EFF had to say about it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/07/effs-concerns-about-un-draft-cybercrime-convention https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/07/effs-concerns-about-un...

twothreeone 11mo ago
I wouldn't exactly call them "excellent", but yeah I think the big caveat is > the US has excellent protections for PII and data privacy *for _US nationals_ :)
- whimsicalism 11mo ago
  actually mostly for EU nationals :)
topadmin 11mo ago
At what level do you think American PII protection is working? I can't go to a dentist/medical/eye appointment without the office staff looking me up or adding to some kind of unethical dark web profile. Maybe the data at rest is secure but it doesn't really matter when the staff is leaking all the data as it is getting stored in their systems.

whimsicalism 11mo ago

US-based companies probably have the most sophisticated PII & data privacy compliance schemes globally. Sure, that's mostly due to obligations imposed on them by jurisdictions outside of the US, but it is still true.

ignoramous 11mo ago
We're talking about privacy / data (ab)use for military purposes. Those compliance schemes you speak of matter naught.
- whimsicalism 11mo ago
  > We're talking about privacy / data (ab)use for military purposes. What? No, we're not. What gave you that impression?

Aurornis 11mo ago

Is your argument that because you don’t think US companies are good at PII, we need to force those companies to share their PII with 70 other countries on request? > Maybe there is some more complexity to this argument, that I'm missing. I think you’re missing the entire argument. Why would it be a good thing for a country to volunteer its’ companies PII through a treaty with foreign governments like Russia, North Korea, and China?