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I don't think this comment will contribute much, so please forgive that, but calling a "Collaboration between Europol and the Shadowserver Foundation" for "Euro

by devjab 11mo ago

I don't think this comment will contribute much, so please forgive that, but calling a "Collaboration between Europol and the Shadowserver Foundation" for "Euro cops" is probably the most Australian thing I've ever seen on the entire internet. https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybercrime-service-takedown-7-arrested https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/cybe...

isoprophlex 11mo ago
In my mind "euro cops" holds overtones of some a late-90s track-suit-and-nike shoes, bald shaven gabber rave robocop-from-amsterdam pastiche
- ahartmetz 11mo ago
  I mean your version is much more entertaining, but there was a TV series (1988-1992) that was actually called Eurocops. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094456/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094456/
mrtksn 11mo ago
I enjoyed the title more that I want to admit TBH :) In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police but when its a "Euro" thing it feels much better. The online narrative may make you think that "Europe" is a dirty word(chat control, cookie banner, regulations, fines etc), but its actually much more pure than any local politics and much much less divisive. The "Euro cops" phrase gives me the feeling of bunch of police officers that are not particularly fun at parties but are definitely not corrupt.
- anonzzzies 11mo ago
  > In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police those exist, never met any luckily, guess I hang in positive circles.
- constantius 11mo ago
  The EU has its advantages, but I'd never list "more pure" and "not corrupt" among them. The EU introduced lobbying (=legal corruption) into European politics when most countries historically didn't have much of it. It also has a massive amount of normal, God-fearing illegal corruption. Many of the biggest stories about the EU are about or have a sizable aspect of corruption. Chat Control amd Thorn, Ursula von der Leyen and Big Pharma, Ursula von der Leyen and $anything. Follow the Money is a thriving investigative journalism publication that lives off uncovering corruption in the EU. https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/ https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-ho... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://www.ftm.eu/ https://www.ftm.eu/
  - mrtksn 11mo ago
    On the contrary, EU is notoriously hard for the rich to lobby. It is also the primary motivation behind the super rich to be against EU since they too are having trouble to find someone in EU to solve their "problems". A famous anecdote is from Rupert Murdock who is able to influence UK poltics at whim but had no effect on EU: https://www.quora.com/When-I-go-into-Downing-Street-they-do-what-I-say-when-I-go-to-Brussels-they-take-no-notice-Rupert-Murdoch-Given-this-should-everyone-ignore-any-political-statements-about-Brexit-and-the-EU-made-by-his-newspapers https://www.quora.com/When-I-go-into-Downing-Street-they-do-... He was also a huge backer of Brexit. On social media there's persistent and years long push to paint EU as anti-Business. They are pushing and pushing for de-regulations. The Pfizergate is another great example of what happens when you have a centralized decision. That scandal only exist because of the Covid, an unprecedented situation where EU has to take quick actions and had to engage with companies directly. The scope of the scandal is also extremely benign compared to what you have in other places, it's essentially a transparency scandal. No one is even seriously accusing her of abuse of her position for personal enrichment when in a normal country this type of scandal is often about giving the contract to a relative of theirs or an election campaign donor. Once the Ukraine war is over, I also expect to see other scandals to be unearthed as they were rushed to acquire weapons fast. There are scandals like Qatar paying an MPs to push their agenda, but other than that EU is so much less corrupt than anything the local governments have. Those involved in the Qatar scandal went to prison, how many local politicians you have who go to prison for anything other than political reasons? Have you noticed what has been happening in US since February for example? That one is extreme but all over EU the local governments have some sort of these scams and dealings. In countries like US all you have to do is to buy president's crypto coins or make a donation for his election campaigns. In EU, you simply can't do anything of this sort. That's why those who want influence actually pay social media influencers to push an agenda and this is considerably more expensive and hard compared to just establishing a relationship and paying up the president. Many of EU's weaknesses are also it's strength since having full control and being able to move fast comes with its risks. That's why across the EU the trust in EU and support for EU is way higher than any local governments. The worst is over %50 in favor of EU, when most of the governments consider themselves lucky if they are in the %30s.
- oliwarner 11mo ago
  This reminded me of something Jean-Claude Juncker once said about democracy in the EU: > We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it. Being a step removed from local politics means they can do stuff without the immediate fear they're all kicked out, but the other downside of people not really caring who they elect is it's relatively easy to be elected on a "We hate the EU" line. It's a weird place.
  - heresie-dabord 11mo ago
    > We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it. Modern US variant: we will say whatever we must to amass donations to pay for the election campaign, but you'd be a fool to bet on our doing what we should once elected.
    - SoftTalker 11mo ago
      And yet the gripe I hear a lot about people in the US who voted for the current admin is that "they are doing what they said they would do."
  - 6510 11mo ago
    It was priceless when Farage explained this was just a campaign slogan. https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/x0vicd/vote_leave_brexit_propaganda_2016/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/x0vicd/v... It was intended as just an example of what one could do with all that delicious tax money.
  - immibis 11mo ago
    The stuff they did in this particular case is likely a violation of all laws involved, just like the other recent case with the US Secret Service in New York City. In both cases they are seizing someone's business equipment, on the assumption that because it is an unusual business and sometimes it is used for spam, the business itself is spam. Actually, it's probably legal in the USA, but completely illegal in the EU where the Digital Services Act regulation very specifically says that a mere conduit of data transmissions cannot be held liable for data transmissions passing through it which it didn't originate. I only know anything about the law in Germany (and I am not a lawyer) so let's pretend this happened in Germany - then the business operator - presuming that they're running a relay business and not spammers themselves - would win back all the money this police action deprived them of, including lost revenue, equipment costs, lawyer fees, and repairs for any damages incurred during the raid. Their cellphone provider is probably allowed to terminate their contract however, and could sue them if they had any meaningful damages. The civil court system here is very algorithmic as far as I'm aware: if(you broke the law) you.transfer(victim, victim.money_if_you_hadnt_broken_the_law - victim.money);
- junaru 11mo ago
  > In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police Objectively false [1]. Europe is pissed at government (~30% approval) and love the police (70% approval). Hating on police is an US thing exclusively. 1: https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/80518ned/table https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/80518ned/table
  - mrtksn 11mo ago
    Okay, I may be exaggerating a bit the European's attitudes towards their local police and governments(some small and cold countries tend to trust their local police and government more than the larger countries at sunny places) but here you can see that EU is consistency viewed more favorably than the local ones through the years: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3372 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3372
    - lillecarl 11mo ago
      Maybe edit and clarify your misinformation that Europeans hate the police? We don't.
      - mrtksn 11mo ago
        The trust levels in Police is much lower in larger countries. In Germany it’s %50 and %35. NL is not the rule, it’s the exception. But sure, hating the police is an exaggeration. Still, I think it’s obvious that its for illustrative purposes and not a declaration. Just like everybody never means every single person no exceptions when talking about general situations. It’s like when you say “everyone knows that the flat earth theory is BS”. Yes it’s not everybody and your mileage may vary depending on the location.
- heresie-dabord 11mo ago
  > when its a "Euro" thing it feels much better. A sense of unity builds optimism, especially in very troubled times.
username135 11mo ago
Glad I'm not the only one. Euro Cops!

by devjab 11mo ago

isoprophlex 11mo ago

In my mind "euro cops" holds overtones of some a late-90s track-suit-and-nike shoes, bald shaven gabber rave robocop-from-amsterdam pastiche

ahartmetz 11mo ago
I mean your version is much more entertaining, but there was a TV series (1988-1992) that was actually called Eurocops. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094456/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094456/

mrtksn 11mo ago

I enjoyed the title more that I want to admit TBH :) In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police but when its a "Euro" thing it feels much better. The online narrative may make you think that "Europe" is a dirty word(chat control, cookie banner, regulations, fines etc), but its actually much more pure than any local politics and much much less divisive. The "Euro cops" phrase gives me the feeling of bunch of police officers that are not particularly fun at parties but are definitely not corrupt.

anonzzzies 11mo ago
> In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police those exist, never met any luckily, guess I hang in positive circles.
constantius 11mo ago
The EU has its advantages, but I'd never list "more pure" and "not corrupt" among them. The EU introduced lobbying (=legal corruption) into European politics when most countries historically didn't have much of it. It also has a massive amount of normal, God-fearing illegal corruption. Many of the biggest stories about the EU are about or have a sizable aspect of corruption. Chat Control amd Thorn, Ursula von der Leyen and Big Pharma, Ursula von der Leyen and $anything. Follow the Money is a thriving investigative journalism publication that lives off uncovering corruption in the EU. https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-eu-for-more-surveillance/ https://netzpolitik.org/2022/dude-wheres-my-privacy-how-a-ho... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate https://www.ftm.eu/ https://www.ftm.eu/
- mrtksn 11mo ago
  On the contrary, EU is notoriously hard for the rich to lobby. It is also the primary motivation behind the super rich to be against EU since they too are having trouble to find someone in EU to solve their "problems". A famous anecdote is from Rupert Murdock who is able to influence UK poltics at whim but had no effect on EU: https://www.quora.com/When-I-go-into-Downing-Street-they-do-what-I-say-when-I-go-to-Brussels-they-take-no-notice-Rupert-Murdoch-Given-this-should-everyone-ignore-any-political-statements-about-Brexit-and-the-EU-made-by-his-newspapers https://www.quora.com/When-I-go-into-Downing-Street-they-do-... He was also a huge backer of Brexit. On social media there's persistent and years long push to paint EU as anti-Business. They are pushing and pushing for de-regulations. The Pfizergate is another great example of what happens when you have a centralized decision. That scandal only exist because of the Covid, an unprecedented situation where EU has to take quick actions and had to engage with companies directly. The scope of the scandal is also extremely benign compared to what you have in other places, it's essentially a transparency scandal. No one is even seriously accusing her of abuse of her position for personal enrichment when in a normal country this type of scandal is often about giving the contract to a relative of theirs or an election campaign donor. Once the Ukraine war is over, I also expect to see other scandals to be unearthed as they were rushed to acquire weapons fast. There are scandals like Qatar paying an MPs to push their agenda, but other than that EU is so much less corrupt than anything the local governments have. Those involved in the Qatar scandal went to prison, how many local politicians you have who go to prison for anything other than political reasons? Have you noticed what has been happening in US since February for example? That one is extreme but all over EU the local governments have some sort of these scams and dealings. In countries like US all you have to do is to buy president's crypto coins or make a donation for his election campaigns. In EU, you simply can't do anything of this sort. That's why those who want influence actually pay social media influencers to push an agenda and this is considerably more expensive and hard compared to just establishing a relationship and paying up the president. Many of EU's weaknesses are also it's strength since having full control and being able to move fast comes with its risks. That's why across the EU the trust in EU and support for EU is way higher than any local governments. The worst is over %50 in favor of EU, when most of the governments consider themselves lucky if they are in the %30s.
oliwarner 11mo ago
This reminded me of something Jean-Claude Juncker once said about democracy in the EU: > We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it. Being a step removed from local politics means they can do stuff without the immediate fear they're all kicked out, but the other downside of people not really caring who they elect is it's relatively easy to be elected on a "We hate the EU" line. It's a weird place.
- heresie-dabord 11mo ago
  > We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it. Modern US variant: we will say whatever we must to amass donations to pay for the election campaign, but you'd be a fool to bet on our doing what we should once elected.
  - SoftTalker 11mo ago
    And yet the gripe I hear a lot about people in the US who voted for the current admin is that "they are doing what they said they would do."
- 6510 11mo ago
  It was priceless when Farage explained this was just a campaign slogan. https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/x0vicd/vote_leave_brexit_propaganda_2016/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/x0vicd/v... It was intended as just an example of what one could do with all that delicious tax money.
- immibis 11mo ago
  The stuff they did in this particular case is likely a violation of all laws involved, just like the other recent case with the US Secret Service in New York City. In both cases they are seizing someone's business equipment, on the assumption that because it is an unusual business and sometimes it is used for spam, the business itself is spam. Actually, it's probably legal in the USA, but completely illegal in the EU where the Digital Services Act regulation very specifically says that a mere conduit of data transmissions cannot be held liable for data transmissions passing through it which it didn't originate. I only know anything about the law in Germany (and I am not a lawyer) so let's pretend this happened in Germany - then the business operator - presuming that they're running a relay business and not spammers themselves - would win back all the money this police action deprived them of, including lost revenue, equipment costs, lawyer fees, and repairs for any damages incurred during the raid. Their cellphone provider is probably allowed to terminate their contract however, and could sue them if they had any meaningful damages. The civil court system here is very algorithmic as far as I'm aware: if(you broke the law) you.transfer(victim, victim.money_if_you_hadnt_broken_the_law - victim.money);
junaru 11mo ago
> In every country in Europe people are pissed with their government and hate the police Objectively false [1]. Europe is pissed at government (~30% approval) and love the police (70% approval). Hating on police is an US thing exclusively. 1: https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/80518ned/table https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/80518ned/table
- mrtksn 11mo ago
  Okay, I may be exaggerating a bit the European's attitudes towards their local police and governments(some small and cold countries tend to trust their local police and government more than the larger countries at sunny places) but here you can see that EU is consistency viewed more favorably than the local ones through the years: https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3372 https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3372
  - lillecarl 11mo ago
    Maybe edit and clarify your misinformation that Europeans hate the police? We don't.
    - mrtksn 11mo ago
      The trust levels in Police is much lower in larger countries. In Germany it’s %50 and %35. NL is not the rule, it’s the exception. But sure, hating the police is an exaggeration. Still, I think it’s obvious that its for illustrative purposes and not a declaration. Just like everybody never means every single person no exceptions when talking about general situations. It’s like when you say “everyone knows that the flat earth theory is BS”. Yes it’s not everybody and your mileage may vary depending on the location.
heresie-dabord 11mo ago
> when its a "Euro" thing it feels much better. A sense of unity builds optimism, especially in very troubled times.

username135 11mo ago

Glad I'm not the only one. Euro Cops!