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This is the "think of the children" equivalent that is being regurgitated ad nauseam. Anyone who pretends that Apple cares about anything other than profit is l

This is the "think of the children" equivalent that is being regurgitated ad nauseam. Anyone who pretends that Apple cares about anything other than profit is lying to others and themselves. >I agree there should be personal accountability, but that clearly hasn't been working. It has been working on Android just fine. And if Apple is supposedly so concerned with security, then why did it take them so damn long to implement a simple mechanism to stop thieves from simply changing your password using your pin? Only after relentless pressure did they implement additional security, which took them far too long. The "security" ruse is nothing but propaganda to protect Apple's monopoly on app distribution. [0] https://tidbits.com/2023/02/26/how-a-thief-with-your-iphone-passcode-can-ruin-your-digital-life/ https://tidbits.com/2023/02/26/how-a-thief-with-your-iphone-...

itake 11mo ago
Super confused. What do you mean its been working on Android just fine? Google just announced they are closing their ecosystem exactly for the reasons I stated. Most of the fraud at my job comes from the android platform, because the security model on android is much worse than Apples. Why is Google citing fraud as a reason to lock down android if "its been working on android just fine"? Apple is not a fast moving company, but they do have a great product and have addressed many of the big issues the community has raised.
- kelthuzad 11mo ago
  >Super confused. You aren't confused, you just have a preferred narrative. Hardcore Apple fans and Apple shareholders share a similar bias with different variations of 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' >What do you mean its been working on Android just fine? Google just announced they are closing their ecosystem exactly for the reasons I stated. It has been working just fine and Google's claim about their consolidation and its motivations are about as credible as a Rail Robber Baron claiming that his monopolization practices are actually about "security" and not profit, the response to such propaganda was the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 and today it is the DMA. More elaborate articles regarding these bogus claims about "security" and its refutation: https://makeuseof.com/androids-sideloading-limits-are-anti-consumer-move-yet https://makeuseof.com/androids-sideloading-limits-are-anti-c... https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-antitrust-playbook https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-antitrust-playbook >Most of the fraud at my job comes from the android platform, because the security model on android is much worse than Apples. Your personal anecdotes are not credible evidence, especially when they are coincidentally contrived to serve as anti-competitive business practice apologia. Apple's "security model" is supposedly so much better, yet iPhone theft was absolutely rampant on iPhones due to an Apple "feature" that literally helped thieves steal a user's entire digital life. Androids were unaffected. "A Basic iPhone Feature Helps Criminals Steal Your Entire Digital Life" - The Wall Street Journal, https://archive.is/oW0lD#selection-1872.0-1872.1 https://archive.is/oW0lD#selection-1872.0-1872.1 >Why is Google citing fraud as a reason to lock down android if "its been working on android just fine"? For the same reason that Apple is using bogus claims about "security", because they can hardly be honest and say "We can't allow any competition, because it would threaten our taxation funnel" As Cory Doctorow writes: "In the meantime, Google’s story that this move is motivated by security it obviously bullshit. First of all, the argument that preventing users from installing software of their choosing is the only way to safeguard their privacy and security is bullshit when Apple uses it, and it’s bullshit when Google trots it out: https://www.eff.org/document/letter-bruce-schneier-senate-judiciary-regarding-app-store-security https://www.eff.org/document/letter-bruce-schneier-senate-ju... But even if you stipulate that Google is doing this to keep you safe, the story falls apart. After all, Google isn’t certifying apps, they’re certifying developers. This implies that the company can somehow predict whether a developer will do something malicious in the future. This is obviously wrong." - https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2025-09-01-fulu-i-am-altering-the-deal-5e41c63f563f https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2025-09-01... >Apple is not a fast moving company, but they do have a great product and have addressed many of the big issues the community has raised. There is no "community" - there is Apple, its profit motive and the consumers. Apple was relentlessly pressured to deal with their reckless "feature" that made a mockery of modern security practices, gravely endangered its users and it still took Apple way too long to introduce a basic fix. Apple is a trillion dollar company, so euphemisms like "Apple is not a fast moving company" won't cut it, especially when it comes to security - you know, the thing they pretend to value above everything else.
  - JustExAWS 11mo ago
    You realize in the very WSJ article you cited it said this? > A similar vulnerability exists in Google’s Android mobile operating system. However, the higher resale value of iPhones makes them a far more common target, according to law-enforcement officials. “Our sign-in and account-recovery policies try to strike a balance between allowing legitimate users to retain access to their accounts in real-world scenarios and keeping the bad actors out,” a Google spokesman said.
    - kelthuzad 11mo ago
      I should have elaborated even further, because I already suspected that someone would nitpick that phrasing. So let me explain the difference: "according to law-enforcement officials" - they are clearly not experts in tech and are unaware of the crucial difference between Apple and Android in this scenario. The most significant difference is that Google explicitly stated their system includes "reasonable time-limited protections against hijackers changing passwords or recovery factors" - but only if users have properly configured recovery options beforehand. According to Google's official statement: "Google Account Recovery flows also have reasonable time-limited protections against hijackers changing passwords or recovery factors set up by the legitimate users - provided users have set up a recovery phone and/or recovery email." In contrast, the WSJ article describes how on iPhone: - Thieves could immediately change the Apple ID password using just the device passcode - there was no waiting period or time-limited protection mentioned - Once changed, victims were instantly locked out with no grace period - Apple's Recovery Key feature could be enabled by thieves to permanently lock victims out Android users on the other hand could proactively: - Set up recovery email and phone numbers that would be retained for 7 days after changes - Enable Google's Advanced Protection Program, which specifically blocks PIN-based password resets entirely - Configure multiple recovery options that created additional barriers Apple users had limited options, the article mentions security keys could be added, but testing showed "security keys didn't prevent account changes using only the passcode, and the passcode could even be used to remove security keys from the account". This made Android's vulnerability more preventable and recoverable for users who had properly configured their security settings in advance, whereas Apple users were stuck and vulnerable to the pin-hijack until fixed, because iOS did not offer any similar protections such as time-based safeguards.
- jojobas 11mo ago
  Google is closing down because it saw what exactly Apple got away with in previous lawsuits.
  - itake 11mo ago
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    - FrequentLurker 11mo ago
      You cant take what google tells you at face value.

itake 11mo ago

Super confused. What do you mean its been working on Android just fine? Google just announced they are closing their ecosystem exactly for the reasons I stated. Most of the fraud at my job comes from the android platform, because the security model on android is much worse than Apples. Why is Google citing fraud as a reason to lock down android if "its been working on android just fine"? Apple is not a fast moving company, but they do have a great product and have addressed many of the big issues the community has raised.

kelthuzad 11mo ago
>Super confused. You aren't confused, you just have a preferred narrative. Hardcore Apple fans and Apple shareholders share a similar bias with different variations of 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' >What do you mean its been working on Android just fine? Google just announced they are closing their ecosystem exactly for the reasons I stated. It has been working just fine and Google's claim about their consolidation and its motivations are about as credible as a Rail Robber Baron claiming that his monopolization practices are actually about "security" and not profit, the response to such propaganda was the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 and today it is the DMA. More elaborate articles regarding these bogus claims about "security" and its refutation: https://makeuseof.com/androids-sideloading-limits-are-anti-consumer-move-yet https://makeuseof.com/androids-sideloading-limits-are-anti-c... https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-antitrust-playbook https://infrequently.org/2025/09/apples-antitrust-playbook >Most of the fraud at my job comes from the android platform, because the security model on android is much worse than Apples. Your personal anecdotes are not credible evidence, especially when they are coincidentally contrived to serve as anti-competitive business practice apologia. Apple's "security model" is supposedly so much better, yet iPhone theft was absolutely rampant on iPhones due to an Apple "feature" that literally helped thieves steal a user's entire digital life. Androids were unaffected. "A Basic iPhone Feature Helps Criminals Steal Your Entire Digital Life" - The Wall Street Journal, https://archive.is/oW0lD#selection-1872.0-1872.1 https://archive.is/oW0lD#selection-1872.0-1872.1 >Why is Google citing fraud as a reason to lock down android if "its been working on android just fine"? For the same reason that Apple is using bogus claims about "security", because they can hardly be honest and say "We can't allow any competition, because it would threaten our taxation funnel" As Cory Doctorow writes: "In the meantime, Google’s story that this move is motivated by security it obviously bullshit. First of all, the argument that preventing users from installing software of their choosing is the only way to safeguard their privacy and security is bullshit when Apple uses it, and it’s bullshit when Google trots it out: https://www.eff.org/document/letter-bruce-schneier-senate-judiciary-regarding-app-store-security https://www.eff.org/document/letter-bruce-schneier-senate-ju... But even if you stipulate that Google is doing this to keep you safe, the story falls apart. After all, Google isn’t certifying apps, they’re certifying developers. This implies that the company can somehow predict whether a developer will do something malicious in the future. This is obviously wrong." - https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2025-09-01-fulu-i-am-altering-the-deal-5e41c63f563f https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2025-09-01... >Apple is not a fast moving company, but they do have a great product and have addressed many of the big issues the community has raised. There is no "community" - there is Apple, its profit motive and the consumers. Apple was relentlessly pressured to deal with their reckless "feature" that made a mockery of modern security practices, gravely endangered its users and it still took Apple way too long to introduce a basic fix. Apple is a trillion dollar company, so euphemisms like "Apple is not a fast moving company" won't cut it, especially when it comes to security - you know, the thing they pretend to value above everything else.
- JustExAWS 11mo ago
  You realize in the very WSJ article you cited it said this? > A similar vulnerability exists in Google’s Android mobile operating system. However, the higher resale value of iPhones makes them a far more common target, according to law-enforcement officials. “Our sign-in and account-recovery policies try to strike a balance between allowing legitimate users to retain access to their accounts in real-world scenarios and keeping the bad actors out,” a Google spokesman said.
  - kelthuzad 11mo ago
    I should have elaborated even further, because I already suspected that someone would nitpick that phrasing. So let me explain the difference: "according to law-enforcement officials" - they are clearly not experts in tech and are unaware of the crucial difference between Apple and Android in this scenario. The most significant difference is that Google explicitly stated their system includes "reasonable time-limited protections against hijackers changing passwords or recovery factors" - but only if users have properly configured recovery options beforehand. According to Google's official statement: "Google Account Recovery flows also have reasonable time-limited protections against hijackers changing passwords or recovery factors set up by the legitimate users - provided users have set up a recovery phone and/or recovery email." In contrast, the WSJ article describes how on iPhone: - Thieves could immediately change the Apple ID password using just the device passcode - there was no waiting period or time-limited protection mentioned - Once changed, victims were instantly locked out with no grace period - Apple's Recovery Key feature could be enabled by thieves to permanently lock victims out Android users on the other hand could proactively: - Set up recovery email and phone numbers that would be retained for 7 days after changes - Enable Google's Advanced Protection Program, which specifically blocks PIN-based password resets entirely - Configure multiple recovery options that created additional barriers Apple users had limited options, the article mentions security keys could be added, but testing showed "security keys didn't prevent account changes using only the passcode, and the passcode could even be used to remove security keys from the account". This made Android's vulnerability more preventable and recoverable for users who had properly configured their security settings in advance, whereas Apple users were stuck and vulnerable to the pin-hijack until fixed, because iOS did not offer any similar protections such as time-based safeguards.
jojobas 11mo ago
Google is closing down because it saw what exactly Apple got away with in previous lawsuits.
- itake 11mo ago
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  - FrequentLurker 11mo ago
    You cant take what google tells you at face value.