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True! In The Netherlands, where I live, we still vote on paper ballots. The ballots are counted by hand. The counting is public, anyone can go and observe the c
by bkummel 11mo ago
True! In The Netherlands, where I live, we still vote on paper ballots. The ballots are counted by hand. The counting is public, anyone can go and observe the counting.
- hannofcart 11mo agoThis is in no way intended to be disparaging: there are processes that work within the scale of small European nations that simply won't at larger scales.
- Vinnl 11mo agoThe same process is used for the Dutch part of the elections for the European Parliament.
- abdullahkhalids 11mo agoThe total number of people voting at each polling station should be the same irrespective of the population of the country. Besides that what other scaling problems are there?
- lucideer 11mo ago> there are processes that work within the scale of small European nations that simply won't at larger scales Coming from Ireland (tiny population, low pop density) I've heard this argument countless times (we're an obvious target for this critique), but I still to this day don't see the logic of it. At all. Constituencies are sized per capita, count centres are staffed per capita, if you have higher pop-density you'll either have more observers at count centres, or the same number at more count centres. This is a distributed system - it's the definition of scalable. Fwiw the last count I tallied at (Dublin MEP) had an electorate of 890k. It was the smallest constituency in Ireland in that election, but still bigger than the largest congressional district electorate in the US. We counted in one large open warehouse. There were 23 candidates & 19 separate repeating counts. That could work in favour or against your argument - I don't really know - I don't really think it matters either direction though.
- lurk2 11mo agoYou don’t understand how scale works.
- patrickmcnamara 11mo agoThe Netherlands would be the 4th biggest state if it was part of the US.
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- xboxnolifes 11mo agoThis doesn't make sense. In the same way that police, firefighters, ambulance, farmers, etc, can scale to any country population, so can ballot counting.
- erentz 11mo agoThe Netherlands is 18m people. Germany is 83m with its MMP system. There are ways to adjust and scale these other systems.
- etiennebausson 11mo agoFrance has 68M inhabitants and is on paper ballots (and function identically to Ireland on such matter). I don't quite understand how a country with a mere 5 times more population is unable to enact the same solution at their 'so much bigger' scale. And France is spread over more time zone than the U.S., so that argument doesn't work either.