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> doesn't believe in stepping down peacefully if he loses an election, among other things. Source? We do have evidence that he stepped down after his first te

> doesn't believe in stepping down peacefully if he loses an election, among other things. Source? We do have evidence that he stepped down after his first term.

mechatrocity 11mo ago
Certainly not peacefully.
- RandomBacon 11mo ago
  Forgive me, I don't pay attention to the national news that much, what did I miss when Trump left the Whitehouse for Biden? Edit: I know about January 6th, I thought OP was talking about something else, my mistake.
  - valiant55 11mo ago
    Incited a riot to interrupt the certification of the election with ~500 individuals resulting in the deaths of a few individuals and hundreds of convictions. Most notable Trump did not face prosecution.
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    - RandomBacon 11mo ago
      I edited my previous comment because I knew of January 6th, I was just thinking OP meant something else. However I did not follow the events or aftermath with great detail. Considering he was prosecuted for other things, I'm guessing there was not any actual evidence to support even a prosection?
      - mrbombastic 11mo ago
        This is not some secret information, google it.
        RandomBacon 11mo ago
        Sorry, there is a lot of misinformation from "both sides" - That is why I don't care much to watch the dog and pony show while I "dress myself" (to the person who wrote that, really?)
        mrbombastic 11mo ago
        I am going to try to take this thread in good faith. Here is an event that happened on Saturday, 7 million plus people took to the streets. One side says this was a Hate America rally made up of marxists, hamas supporters and protestors paid by George Soros. The president shared an AI video of himself in a crown flying over the protesters he is supposed to represent dumping shit on them. Every news outlet on the other side says it was a peaceful protest against authoritarian overreach. Call me a biased leftist but the misinformation and divisive bullshit is severely tipped to the right side of the scale.
        exasperaited 11mo ago
        > I am going to try to take this thread in good faith I am less inclined: “he did leave though” as evidence of innocence was a typical bad faith sea-lioned argument throughout election season.
        reddozen 11mo ago
        There isn't. The misinformation is from one side. You can just read the Jan 6 select committees report or just ask Grok to slop summarize it for you.
      - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        > I'm guessing there was not any actual evidence to support even a prosection? You don't have to guess, there was. So much so that the special counsel that was shut down when Trump won re-election took the extraordinary step of declaring publicly that he had more than enough evidence to secure conviction of Donald Trump for Jan 6th. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/g-s1-42358/trump-jack-smith-election-report https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/g-s1-42358/trump-jack-smith-e...
      - Gud 11mo ago
        Not just prosecuted, convicted.
  - pdt409231 11mo ago
    Lots of people, esp on HN, will say J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests. From the other perspective, what happened was a bunch of disgruntled republicans saw the riots that summer, among many other things, and rather than burn down Minneapolis, they took their grievances to the one place that actually could make a difference - the politicians in DC. Instead they were led thru the halls of the Capitol (by the police!) and the resulting footage used to frame the whole debacle as an insurrection. Certainly they were some angry protesters, but the premise that they intended to overthrow the govt by stopping the certification ceremony doesn’t even make sense, since nobody would have recognized it.
    - actionfromafar 11mo ago
      That one of the J6 insurrections was shot dead was just for shits and giggles, of course.
      - pdt409231 11mo ago
        Bear in mind these people are very much pro-gun and believe the 2A is there to protect against the govt. If they had intended to violently overthrow the govt, it would have been very apparent. Yet not a single bullet was fired from the protestors. As you pointed out, the only ones doing the shooting was from the police towards the pro-trump people. That lady was unarmed, and was shot while climbing thru a window. (Considering this [1] was the standard for 'peaceful protests' at the time.) Hardly qualifies as self defense, and had this been any other situation the policeman would be stripped of his badge and jailed. But of course, Biden's DOJ declined to prosecute. [1] https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/SNVVJFX2IVP2NLXEUPMJJMH2SU.jpg?auth=08065fdc31451b53558c3c316522d48a4978033faa884edf5d34e29a92806877&width=1920&quality=80 https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/SNVVJFX2IVP2NLXEUPMJJMH2S...
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        throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        Arguing that it was a poor insurrection attempt does not negate what it was. Arguing that it could have been worse doesn't change the fact that five people died. The unarmed lady was shot climbing through a window you didn't say what window it was the window dividing a violent mob from congress people sheltering in place. And making excuses for political violence guarantees that there will be more in the future. It should never be tolerated.
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esseph 11mo ago
Maybe, but he's selling Trump 2028 hats, has them in the oval office, and is posting memes on Trump social about being president for eternity.
- RandomBacon 11mo ago
  He's a business man that seems to like to troll. Anyway, this is why I usually avoid talking about politics. I'm sorry for the consternation that I caused.
  - esseph 11mo ago
    Is it a troll if he's serious?
  - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
    > He's a business man that seems to like to troll. “I don’t kid. Let me just tell you. Let me make it clear” https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing-335459 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowin...
exasperaited 11mo ago
No, we have evidence that he ran out of road in his attempted autogolpe. There’s no evidence that he did what he “believed” was right. He literally tried to persuade people to change vote counts.

> doesn't believe in stepping down peacefully if he loses an election, among other things. Source? We do have evidence that he stepped down after his first term.

mechatrocity 11mo ago

Certainly not peacefully.

RandomBacon 11mo ago
Forgive me, I don't pay attention to the national news that much, what did I miss when Trump left the Whitehouse for Biden? Edit: I know about January 6th, I thought OP was talking about something else, my mistake.
- valiant55 11mo ago
  Incited a riot to interrupt the certification of the election with ~500 individuals resulting in the deaths of a few individuals and hundreds of convictions. Most notable Trump did not face prosecution.
  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - RandomBacon 11mo ago
    I edited my previous comment because I knew of January 6th, I was just thinking OP meant something else. However I did not follow the events or aftermath with great detail. Considering he was prosecuted for other things, I'm guessing there was not any actual evidence to support even a prosection?
    - mrbombastic 11mo ago
      This is not some secret information, google it.
      - RandomBacon 11mo ago
        Sorry, there is a lot of misinformation from "both sides" - That is why I don't care much to watch the dog and pony show while I "dress myself" (to the person who wrote that, really?)
        mrbombastic 11mo ago
        I am going to try to take this thread in good faith. Here is an event that happened on Saturday, 7 million plus people took to the streets. One side says this was a Hate America rally made up of marxists, hamas supporters and protestors paid by George Soros. The president shared an AI video of himself in a crown flying over the protesters he is supposed to represent dumping shit on them. Every news outlet on the other side says it was a peaceful protest against authoritarian overreach. Call me a biased leftist but the misinformation and divisive bullshit is severely tipped to the right side of the scale.
        exasperaited 11mo ago
        > I am going to try to take this thread in good faith I am less inclined: “he did leave though” as evidence of innocence was a typical bad faith sea-lioned argument throughout election season.
        reddozen 11mo ago
        There isn't. The misinformation is from one side. You can just read the Jan 6 select committees report or just ask Grok to slop summarize it for you.
    - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
      > I'm guessing there was not any actual evidence to support even a prosection? You don't have to guess, there was. So much so that the special counsel that was shut down when Trump won re-election took the extraordinary step of declaring publicly that he had more than enough evidence to secure conviction of Donald Trump for Jan 6th. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/g-s1-42358/trump-jack-smith-election-report https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/g-s1-42358/trump-jack-smith-e...
    - Gud 11mo ago
      Not just prosecuted, convicted.
- pdt409231 11mo ago
  Lots of people, esp on HN, will say J6 was some kind of insurrection, but the BLM riots were peaceful protests. From the other perspective, what happened was a bunch of disgruntled republicans saw the riots that summer, among many other things, and rather than burn down Minneapolis, they took their grievances to the one place that actually could make a difference - the politicians in DC. Instead they were led thru the halls of the Capitol (by the police!) and the resulting footage used to frame the whole debacle as an insurrection. Certainly they were some angry protesters, but the premise that they intended to overthrow the govt by stopping the certification ceremony doesn’t even make sense, since nobody would have recognized it.
  - actionfromafar 11mo ago
    That one of the J6 insurrections was shot dead was just for shits and giggles, of course.
    - pdt409231 11mo ago
      Bear in mind these people are very much pro-gun and believe the 2A is there to protect against the govt. If they had intended to violently overthrow the govt, it would have been very apparent. Yet not a single bullet was fired from the protestors. As you pointed out, the only ones doing the shooting was from the police towards the pro-trump people. That lady was unarmed, and was shot while climbing thru a window. (Considering this [1] was the standard for 'peaceful protests' at the time.) Hardly qualifies as self defense, and had this been any other situation the policeman would be stripped of his badge and jailed. But of course, Biden's DOJ declined to prosecute. [1] https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/SNVVJFX2IVP2NLXEUPMJJMH2SU.jpg?auth=08065fdc31451b53558c3c316522d48a4978033faa884edf5d34e29a92806877&width=1920&quality=80 https://www.reuters.com/resizer/v2/SNVVJFX2IVP2NLXEUPMJJMH2S...
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      - throwawayq3423 11mo ago
        Arguing that it was a poor insurrection attempt does not negate what it was. Arguing that it could have been worse doesn't change the fact that five people died. The unarmed lady was shot climbing through a window you didn't say what window it was the window dividing a violent mob from congress people sheltering in place. And making excuses for political violence guarantees that there will be more in the future. It should never be tolerated.
- add-sub-mul-div 11mo ago
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esseph 11mo ago

Maybe, but he's selling Trump 2028 hats, has them in the oval office, and is posting memes on Trump social about being president for eternity.

RandomBacon 11mo ago
He's a business man that seems to like to troll. Anyway, this is why I usually avoid talking about politics. I'm sorry for the consternation that I caused.
- esseph 11mo ago
  Is it a troll if he's serious?
- throwawayq3423 11mo ago
  > He's a business man that seems to like to troll. “I don’t kid. Let me just tell you. Let me make it clear” https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing-335459 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowin...

exasperaited 11mo ago

No, we have evidence that he ran out of road in his attempted autogolpe. There’s no evidence that he did what he “believed” was right. He literally tried to persuade people to change vote counts.