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Forgotten? No mention of why we should think they are forgotten outside the headline.
by ErikCorry 11mo ago
Forgotten? No mention of why we should think they are forgotten outside the headline.
- zaik 11mo agoOutside of my friend group, no one uses XMPP, the internet standard for chat, they only know about walled gardens and custom protocols by VC startups now :(
- SunlitCat 11mo agoSince when became XMPP "the internet standard for chat"? What about IRC[0]? :( [0]: RFCs 1459, 2810 - 2813, 7194.
- lou1306 11mo agoCome on, of course there will be some protocols that are more obscure than others, but the overall concept of RFCs is far from "forgotten". Besides, a lot of these walled chat gardens roll their own XMPP/Jabber thingy behind the scenes.
- MYEUHD 11mo agoWhatsapp, Zoom and Kik Messenger use XMPP under the hood. Just because it's not well-known doesn't mean it's not widely used
- betaby 11mo agoWhatsapp used XMPP many years ago, not today though.
- alexchantavy 11mo agoI miss when Facebook Messenger let you connect to it with XMPP back in the day so you could have it together with your other msging services on Adium/Pidgin
- loeg 11mo agoXMPP has nothing going for it.
- 1970-01-01 11mo agoClickbait gonna bait.
- AungChoMin 11mo ago[flagged]
- ackreq 11mo agoNowadays, my friend, people just copy, paste, or vibecode everything. If you (or anyone) think they’re not forgotten, you’re one of the few who still read and understand the RFCs. Said that in the post too.
- alterom 11mo agoYeah, as if reading and understanding RFCs was the pastime of the commoner in Ye Olde Dayse. Or as if the vibe-coder of today would've totally™ definitely© be the type of person to peruse the RFCs. It's like saying the the proof of, say, Seifert-van Kampen theorem is "forgotten" because nowadays, my friend, people ask ChatGPT to write out solutions to their math homework.
- woodruffw 11mo agoI don’t know what niche you inhabit, but anecdotally the overwhelming majority of engineers I know have consulted an RFC. RFCs are an active component in the Internet; you need to at least reference them (if not fully read them) to understand how various parts of the Internet interoperate. (It seems extremely unlikely that the average non-junior engineer hasn’t opened up RFC 3339 or one of the HTTP caching RFCs, just for example.)
- LambdaComplex 11mo agoPersonally, I have about a dozen related RFCs on my bookmarks toolbar due to a project that I worked on. I was referencing them constantly when I was actively working on that project.
- dehugger 11mo agoI dunno, I think many dev are aware of the existence of RFCs, but if your work occurs at higher levels of the stack there is frequently not a pressing need to read them. For example, you don't have to read the specific RFC to know the difference between 200, 400, and 500 status codes. Any layman's blog post (or literally just reading the response messages accompanying those codes in actual use) is enough knowledge to get you real far. That said; if a senior dev isn't aware of 3339, the holiest of RFCs, then that's a problem.
- RHSeeger 11mo agoAs part of my normal work, I linked and quoted part of an RFC just this week. They're not forgotten, just... less remembered, I guess.
- candiddevmike 11mo agoMost things are now vendor proprietary and not designed for interoperability. RFCs are forgotten because you can't monetize an RFC.
- lexszero_ 11mo agoInterestingly, ISO standard documents are sold for a non-insignificant price and DRMed, while people writing them are volunteers and/or paid by their employers to participate in standardization committees. A company willing to build equipment for an industry running on ISO/IEC communication protocols (like electric power distribution) may have to pay thousands for relevant standards, or rely on someone's interpretation of said standards to implement the protocol before they even begin, not considering certification costs.
- woodruffw 11mo agoThis is a very funny thing to assert on a forum that's entirely delivered via openly standardized (via IETF, W3C, etc.) technologies! (Also, you certainly can monetize an RFC. In fact, that's the norm in a lot of RFC categories: the various PKCS-derived RFCs are a direct extension of various patented standards that RSA[1] sold software atop of.) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security