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Have you not observed that science is very often politicized, filled with fraud or just plain mistaken? The anti-intellectual position is anti-skepticism.

andsoitis 1y ago
Then come with proof or some shred of evidence, rather than asking an unsubstantiated question that undermines the scientific process unnecessarily by trying to insert doubt from a place of zero expertise in the field.
- luxuryballs 1y ago
  I think they call this the appeal to authority fallacy, it’s the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first, then the holes start glowing after they get hand waved away by smug narrow-minded experts.
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    and what are you engaged in, appeal to nothingness? appeal to authority isn't a fallacy outside of formal logic, it is just everyday knowledgemaking.
    - IAmBroom 11mo ago
      Everyday knowledgemaking is filled with fallacies. And we make myriad daily mistakes because of them. Most have no real negative consequences, so we don't correct.
  - kalaksi 1y ago
    > it’s the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first While it's obvious that everybody makes mistakes and has blind spots, I'd wager that, in general, being more knowledgeable gives you better tools to spot actual holes. And sure, experts too can be narrow-minded and smug. Just like everybody else.
    - Jensson 1y ago
      > And sure, experts too can be narrow-minded and smug. Just like everybody else. Being an expert always adds a big weakness: You get paid to do this so you are biased. So no, they are not "just like everybody else", they have spent more time on it so they know some things better, but you can't get away from biases that comes from being paid to do something and that makes experts worse at some other things.
  - onraglanroad 1y ago
    > the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first No they don't. That never happens. Would you expect someone who knows nothing about programming to identify flaws in a computer language? Of course not. You expect it will be people who actually understand the field that can identify issues.
    - luxuryballs 1y ago
      it can even happen in software engineering but takes different forms, someone outside sees the problem first because they are looking from a different perspective or due to familiarity with some external factor or edge case of their environment
      - andsoitis 1y ago
        Example?

andsoitis 1y ago

Then come with proof or some shred of evidence, rather than asking an unsubstantiated question that undermines the scientific process unnecessarily by trying to insert doubt from a place of zero expertise in the field.

luxuryballs 1y ago
I think they call this the appeal to authority fallacy, it’s the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first, then the holes start glowing after they get hand waved away by smug narrow-minded experts.
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  and what are you engaged in, appeal to nothingness? appeal to authority isn't a fallacy outside of formal logic, it is just everyday knowledgemaking.
  - IAmBroom 11mo ago
    Everyday knowledgemaking is filled with fallacies. And we make myriad daily mistakes because of them. Most have no real negative consequences, so we don't correct.
- kalaksi 1y ago
  > it’s the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first While it's obvious that everybody makes mistakes and has blind spots, I'd wager that, in general, being more knowledgeable gives you better tools to spot actual holes. And sure, experts too can be narrow-minded and smug. Just like everybody else.
  - Jensson 1y ago
    > And sure, experts too can be narrow-minded and smug. Just like everybody else. Being an expert always adds a big weakness: You get paid to do this so you are biased. So no, they are not "just like everybody else", they have spent more time on it so they know some things better, but you can't get away from biases that comes from being paid to do something and that makes experts worse at some other things.
- onraglanroad 1y ago
  > the people without expertise in a field that often see the holes in something first No they don't. That never happens. Would you expect someone who knows nothing about programming to identify flaws in a computer language? Of course not. You expect it will be people who actually understand the field that can identify issues.
  - luxuryballs 1y ago
    it can even happen in software engineering but takes different forms, someone outside sees the problem first because they are looking from a different perspective or due to familiarity with some external factor or edge case of their environment
    - andsoitis 1y ago
      Example?