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99% of those students were not any more talented than the average US citizen
by symlinkk 1y ago
99% of those students were not any more talented than the average US citizen
- jeffbee 1y agoJust on the odds this statement is almost certainly incorrect.
- MattDaEskimo 1y ago99% of stats are made up
- honeycrispy 1y agoBut personal experience is not. I went to college and was friends with the foreign students. They were average.
- danparsonson 1y agoYou must've been pretty busy hanging out with a statistically significant quantity of all of them.
- honeycrispy 1y ago[flagged]
- danparsonson 11mo agoThat still doesn't mean your experiences generalise in any useful way, and using phrases like 'liberal HN audience' only serves to highlight your own biases.
- honeycrispy 11mo agoIt doesn't take a right-winger to see the tilt.
- mothballed 1y agoWe had 'Asian road chaos' every fall where the rich ones would show up with their new Bugattis (edit: Maseratis) having never learned how to drive the thing and much less on the open American roads where you can really let the accelerator loose. They would cause endless crashes. One or two of poor ones would end up committing suicide in the spring when they flunked out and had spent their entire little farming family's fortune back in some austere rice farming village. It was quite the sight to see. I want to say they were fairly normal in intelligence, relatively, but the set of incentives for them to perform were wildly different.
- chronic74939 1y ago> had spent their entire little farming family's fortune back in some austere rice farming village. Depends on tier of university. At Harvard, MIT, Stanford, the asian international students are moderately rich (US$10 million+ net worth) from tech or manufacturing businesses.
- bix6 1y agoHoly racism Fwiw there’s like 1000 Bugattis in the world so you really must have gone somewhere super duper elite! Monaco perhaps?
- mangecoeur 1y agoThats the very definition of “anecdata”. (Anecdotes you mistake for representative data)
- antris 1y agoWhat's your point? That education only belongs to the "talented"? Talented in what way? What good does it do to society that the "non-talented" are not educated? Also, no source for claim.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y agoNot OP but I infer that they're point is US colleges should primarily serve US citizens, not "talented" foreigners
- nemomarx 1y agoIt's not really talent, it's that they don't get scholarships and pay tuition in full. It was basically a subsidy program
- zht 1y agowhy do you say that? I can say, that 99% of those students are much less obese than the average US citizen
- paxys 1y agoYou have not met many average US citizens if you really think that is the case
- churchill 1y agoSorry to break it to you, but the average American is quite...let's say, average. That's why they're average, lol. Likewise, the average Chinese. That's why their school system filters out tens of millions of schoolkids from higher education and puts them in trade school early. Same goes for India, Europe, etc. Gifted, driven kids, the kind who will leave their family and everything they've known, to cross an ocean to study in your country, are a scarce resource. I'm not saying you shouldn't prioritize locals, but if you want competitive, world-class educational system, you should be open to foreign students and faculty helping to keep your system competitive. It's the same worldwide, whether it's in Singapore's NUS, or Oxford, or Saudi Arabia's KAUST. But, what do I even know?
- the_real_cher 1y agoWhy not just stay and bring their gifts to their own country?
- churchill 1y agoSome of them actually do that. Like when the US expelled Qian Xuesen, the founder of the Jet Propulsion Lab and he went back and built China's ballistic missile and space program. So, yep. It's happened and will continue to happen to different degrees.
- the_real_cher 11mo agothis is a great thing nuclear deterrence spread around the world is great because it keeps one country from bullying the rest
- churchill 11mo agoI agree with you. We don't even have to imagine: the UK and US were planning preemptive nuclear strikes against the entire Soviet Union before they tested their first nuke. Operation Dropshot and Unthinkable called for hundreds of nukes and conventional bombs to be dropped on Soviet cities to, "to impose upon Russia the will of the United States and the British Empire." All in all, I don't even have a dog in the fight, but people like Qian Xuesen won't become retarded if they're expelled from the US. If I remember correctly, something like a third of all top-tier AI researchers are Chinese. If you count all those with an immigration background, they'll be close to 50-70%. They will simply create companies and products that compete and take market share from American companies. Are Americans - the country that votes out presidents for rising gas prices - willing to make do with a lower standard of living? Because that'd what you'll get when some the world's best innovators are no longer based in your country.
- NickC25 1y agoBut they pay several multiples of money more to study than the average US citizen, take on no debt, and most of the time are studying for advanced technical degrees. Most Americans are not. If we want to have top-tier universities, and produce graduates capable of innovating and taking big risk, we need to have universities who are strong in STEM. If we want to have universities who are strong in STEM, we need to fill up those seats because otherwise without students, there are no classes. IDGAF where they come from, to be honest.
- thrance 1y agoThe average US citizen voted in Trump, so no. You can't listen to his UN speech and go "that's the man to rule my country" if you're not seriously mentally impaired.