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Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the

Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. [0] Not to mention the fact that Israel just killed a top Hamas negotiator in Doha, Qatar only a few weeks ago. [1] How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator? [0] https://apnews.com/live/latest-updates-israel-launches-new-wave-of-airstrikes-across-gaza-after-ceasefire-talks-stall https://apnews.com/live/latest-updates-israel-launches-new-w... [1] https://apnews.com/article/qatar-explosion-doha-e319dd51b170161372442831a8023db5 https://apnews.com/article/qatar-explosion-doha-e319dd51b170...

usaar333 1y ago
That wasn't a ceasefire violation. It was a six week ceasefire that had expired at the beginning of March
jameshilliard 1y ago
> Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. Israel has been rather consistent that a permanent ceasefire will only happen when Hamas effectively surrenders and gives up power. Hamas had also refused to continue releasing hostages which effectively ended the ceasefire(as the terms of the second phase were never finalized). > Not to mention the fact that Israel just killed a top Hamas negotiator in Doha, Qatar only a few weeks ago. [1] How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator? I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate. That seemed to work out with Hezbollah at least.
- Braxton1980 1y ago
  >I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate. That's insane and not how you negotiate.
  - jameshilliard 1y ago
    > That's insane not how you negotiate So how exactly do you negotiate with genocidal terrorists that refuse to surrender despite having clearly lost a war? There certainly isn't an easy solution here.
    - noitpmeder 1y ago
      Well Israel's current solution is to impose famine and genocide on the civilian population. This certainly isn't the right solution here.
      - jameshilliard 1y ago
        > Well Israel's current solution is to impose famine and genocide on the civilian population. There is no credible evidence that there is famine or genocide occurring in Gaza. Obviously the situation in Gaza is bad but that's to be expected for a war.
        twixfel 1y ago
        This thread is literally about an article in which it is outlined that there is indeed a famine in Gaza.
        jameshilliard 1y ago
        > This thread is literally about an article in which it is outlined that there is indeed a famine in Gaza. It's not credible however[0]. There have been many claims without appropriate evidence for a while[1] and those involved tend to be antisemitic individuals interested only in pushing a specific narrative regardless of the facts on the ground. [0] https://unwatch.org/hillel-neuer-on-sky-news-fabricated-u-n-backed-report-on-famine-in-gaza-is-a-complete-fraud/ https://unwatch.org/hillel-neuer-on-sky-news-fabricated-u-n-... [1] https://unwatch.org/legal-analysis-of-un-food-rapporteur-michael-fakhris-2024-report-to-un-general-assembly/ https://unwatch.org/legal-analysis-of-un-food-rapporteur-mic...
stale2002 1y ago
> How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator? The only other option seems to be that Israel is about to destroy the rest of Gaza City, and take out the last major location that Hamas controls. So their options are to either accept the peace plan, or die. I don't think Israel cares that much which choice Hamas choses. But yeah accepting this peace deal sounds like it it quite obviously the mostly likely option to help prevent all the buildings that are about to be destroyed and people who will be killed.
starik36 1y ago
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- tomhow 1y ago
  > Practically everything you said is a lie. You can't comment like this on HN. Several of your comments in this thread have broken the guidelines. We've asked you before to avoid using HN for ideological battle. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them, especially these ones: Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

usaar333 1y ago

That wasn't a ceasefire violation. It was a six week ceasefire that had expired at the beginning of March

jameshilliard 1y ago

> Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. Israel has been rather consistent that a permanent ceasefire will only happen when Hamas effectively surrenders and gives up power. Hamas had also refused to continue releasing hostages which effectively ended the ceasefire(as the terms of the second phase were never finalized). > Not to mention the fact that Israel just killed a top Hamas negotiator in Doha, Qatar only a few weeks ago. [1] How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator? I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate. That seemed to work out with Hezbollah at least.

Braxton1980 1y ago
>I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate. That's insane and not how you negotiate.
- jameshilliard 1y ago
  > That's insane not how you negotiate So how exactly do you negotiate with genocidal terrorists that refuse to surrender despite having clearly lost a war? There certainly isn't an easy solution here.
  - noitpmeder 1y ago
    Well Israel's current solution is to impose famine and genocide on the civilian population. This certainly isn't the right solution here.
    - jameshilliard 1y ago
      > Well Israel's current solution is to impose famine and genocide on the civilian population. There is no credible evidence that there is famine or genocide occurring in Gaza. Obviously the situation in Gaza is bad but that's to be expected for a war.
      - twixfel 1y ago
        This thread is literally about an article in which it is outlined that there is indeed a famine in Gaza.
        jameshilliard 1y ago
        > This thread is literally about an article in which it is outlined that there is indeed a famine in Gaza. It's not credible however[0]. There have been many claims without appropriate evidence for a while[1] and those involved tend to be antisemitic individuals interested only in pushing a specific narrative regardless of the facts on the ground. [0] https://unwatch.org/hillel-neuer-on-sky-news-fabricated-u-n-backed-report-on-famine-in-gaza-is-a-complete-fraud/ https://unwatch.org/hillel-neuer-on-sky-news-fabricated-u-n-... [1] https://unwatch.org/legal-analysis-of-un-food-rapporteur-michael-fakhris-2024-report-to-un-general-assembly/ https://unwatch.org/legal-analysis-of-un-food-rapporteur-mic...

stale2002 1y ago

> How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator? The only other option seems to be that Israel is about to destroy the rest of Gaza City, and take out the last major location that Hamas controls. So their options are to either accept the peace plan, or die. I don't think Israel cares that much which choice Hamas choses. But yeah accepting this peace deal sounds like it it quite obviously the mostly likely option to help prevent all the buildings that are about to be destroyed and people who will be killed.

starik36 1y ago

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tomhow 1y ago
> Practically everything you said is a lie. You can't comment like this on HN. Several of your comments in this thread have broken the guidelines. We've asked you before to avoid using HN for ideological battle. Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them, especially these ones: Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please don't fulminate. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html