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>Bruce helped the young athlete understand his movements in a way that seemed to decelerate time. “Bruce showed me how to harness some of what was raging inside

>Bruce helped the young athlete understand his movements in a way that seemed to decelerate time. “Bruce showed me how to harness some of what was raging inside me and summon it completely at my will. The Chinese call it chi; the Japanese, ki; the Indians, prana—it is the life force,” he said. “I was quite amazed to find, after working with Bruce, that when I really had my presence of mind, when I did control my life force, that’s what I saw, things coming at me in slow motion with plenty of time to get out of the way. Seemingly we are learning here something new about Bruce Lee, that outside observers can't understand, most notably western ones. This decelaration of time also happened to me two times spontaneously, when I was attacked on surprise, hence I believe this verbatim. In both cases, that got me plenty of time, to decide what to do and was able to save myself without a scratch. However it never occurred to me,that that had something to do with my Chi force...

spankalee 1y ago
There is no such thing as Chi force, so it wasn't that. The perception of time is malleable though. See https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-time/201707/the-matrix-effect-when-time-slows-down https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-time/201707/th... and tons if other articles.
- hobs 1y ago
  It's super interesting, I have had it the most in a car accident saw my seatbelt snap and slide off of me like it was a sleepy snake, watched the stuff in my backseat get hang time that would have made MJ jealous, and thankfully managed to not die.
  - t-3 1y ago
    I had something similar happen when I was a passenger in a car accident. I had been asleep and woke up just before the impact. I watched the car's front end crumple in slow motion and was able to protect my head and "roll" with the collision to come out unscathed.
    - thenthenthen 1y ago
      I always assumed the slowing down of time effect was induced by hyper alertness from the dose of adrenaline you get when in trouble.
- xbmcuser 1y ago
  Personally I think our eyes and senses input a lot of information then our brains discard what it feels is unnecessary without processing it. But some people can train the brain to process more of the information like a formula 1 driver.
- monkeycantype 1y ago
  no, chi and centrifugal force do not really exist. But because everything we percieve is essentially a metaphor, a model of reality, sometimes chi or loosy goosey uses of the word 'energy' really can be a valid heuristic for the things that you can do to optimise your 'ability to do work'. As long as you remember its a vague, subjective, context restricted heuristic, and don't try shooting chi bullets, I say max your chi flow friend.
- rramadass 1y ago
  You might want to study Bioenergetics - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetics and Bioenergetic Systems - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetic_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetic_systems if you want to understand Prana/Qi/Chi/Ki in the modern scientific context. Also see Guy Brown's The Energy of Life: The Science of What Makes Our Minds and Bodies Work.
  - spankalee 1y ago
    You linked to articles describing actual biology, not anything like "Chi".
    - rramadass 1y ago
      I pointed you to the mapping of the concept of Prana/Qi/Chi/Ki in today's scientific context. They were framed in a different cultural context with a different concept of "Science" and it is up to you to map them to concepts in modern science. For example they had a different model of Anatomy/Physiology in spite of the fact that they were aware of the various circulatory and nervous systems. Their approach was more holistic and empirical rather than reductionist and analytical. So even though you might not have a one-to-one correspondence to concepts in modern science there is enough studies/research done to establish that there is something to those ideas and hence their various practices (especially Yoga and Acupuncture) are now used in Healthcare to treat various ailments. Some resources; 1) Perception of Subtle Energy “Prana”, and Its Effects During Biofield Practices: A Qualitative Meta-Synthesis - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10498708/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10498708/ 2) The Science of Tai Chi and Qigong as Whole Person Health-Part I: Rationale and State of the Science - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40091656/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40091656/
MattPalmer1086 1y ago
I have had the same experience when attacked. A football hooligan smashed a bottle on my head from behind. Time slowed down. I turned around and could see everything he was doing in slow motion and I was completely calm. I knew what he would do before he could do it. I am not a fighter or physically brave, but I completely disarmed him, put him in a headlock and threw him to the ground.
bcrosby95 1y ago
As a kid I had this happen in sports fairly frequently. What feels like seconds is really a fraction of a second. It helps a lot. I'm not sure I would ascribe it to some mystical thing like chi or ki, just something funky going on with our brains.
jraby3 1y ago
Josh waitzkin breaks this down really well in his book the art of learning. He's a chess champion and push hands champion and discusses how to learn. Basically as you become and expert in something you learn to pay less attention to the surrounding environment and only focus on what matters, which allows you to see it in "slow motion". This applies to chess champions where masters eye movement focuses on a much smaller part of the board than a beginner, and also in push hands or BJJ where experts fighting for a tiny bit of grip change is what matters but a novice might just see the whole body not moving or doing anything that matters. Very worthwhile read.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
  Interesting, I wonder if this is the thing that happens to while playing this videogames. At some point after hours (30+) struggling against the same boss,you realize you see everything in slow motion,at that point you know it's the end, you mastered it. I literally say "ok it's done, time to defeat it". Is this Chi I always thought of it as muscle memory, the movement becomes so ingrained in your body that you can focus on things at a higher level. Keep going up the levels and at some point everything looks like trivial details
  - ASalazarMX 1y ago
    Based on my own experience, it's nothing like chi or something supernatural. The repetition has lowered the uncertainty of the thing you're trying to do, to the point it's easy to do if you focus. That's it, experience and focus. Even if you mastered something, someone can keep distracting you and you will find it returns to difficult without focus. Even if you focus a lot, hard things have to be repeated to master them.
- rasz 1y ago
  I think Senna biopic mentioned him saying road moves in slow motion when he gets into the groove.
  - robohoe 1y ago
ajb 1y ago
I wonder if we should take seriously the idea that the brain can process information faster in emergencies, rather than this just being our perception. After all, we know our neurons work orders of magnitudes more slowly than transistors, so there would seem to be plenty of room for increase. Obviously there must be some biological reason why we're not usually faster, but perhaps it doesn't preclude a temporary speedup.
vborovikov 1y ago
It's called bottom up processing and time slowing down is a side effect of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_recognition_(psychology)#Top-down_and_bottom-up_processing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_recognition_(psycholog...

spankalee 1y ago

There is no such thing as Chi force, so it wasn't that. The perception of time is malleable though. See https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-time/201707/the-matrix-effect-when-time-slows-down https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sense-time/201707/th... and tons if other articles.

hobs 1y ago
It's super interesting, I have had it the most in a car accident saw my seatbelt snap and slide off of me like it was a sleepy snake, watched the stuff in my backseat get hang time that would have made MJ jealous, and thankfully managed to not die.
- t-3 1y ago
  I had something similar happen when I was a passenger in a car accident. I had been asleep and woke up just before the impact. I watched the car's front end crumple in slow motion and was able to protect my head and "roll" with the collision to come out unscathed.
  - thenthenthen 1y ago
    I always assumed the slowing down of time effect was induced by hyper alertness from the dose of adrenaline you get when in trouble.
xbmcuser 1y ago
Personally I think our eyes and senses input a lot of information then our brains discard what it feels is unnecessary without processing it. But some people can train the brain to process more of the information like a formula 1 driver.
monkeycantype 1y ago
no, chi and centrifugal force do not really exist. But because everything we percieve is essentially a metaphor, a model of reality, sometimes chi or loosy goosey uses of the word 'energy' really can be a valid heuristic for the things that you can do to optimise your 'ability to do work'. As long as you remember its a vague, subjective, context restricted heuristic, and don't try shooting chi bullets, I say max your chi flow friend.
rramadass 1y ago
You might want to study Bioenergetics - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetics and Bioenergetic Systems - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetic_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioenergetic_systems if you want to understand Prana/Qi/Chi/Ki in the modern scientific context. Also see Guy Brown's The Energy of Life: The Science of What Makes Our Minds and Bodies Work.
- spankalee 1y ago
  You linked to articles describing actual biology, not anything like "Chi".
  - rramadass 1y ago
    I pointed you to the mapping of the concept of Prana/Qi/Chi/Ki in today's scientific context. They were framed in a different cultural context with a different concept of "Science" and it is up to you to map them to concepts in modern science. For example they had a different model of Anatomy/Physiology in spite of the fact that they were aware of the various circulatory and nervous systems. Their approach was more holistic and empirical rather than reductionist and analytical. So even though you might not have a one-to-one correspondence to concepts in modern science there is enough studies/research done to establish that there is something to those ideas and hence their various practices (especially Yoga and Acupuncture) are now used in Healthcare to treat various ailments. Some resources; 1) Perception of Subtle Energy “Prana”, and Its Effects During Biofield Practices: A Qualitative Meta-Synthesis - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10498708/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10498708/ 2) The Science of Tai Chi and Qigong as Whole Person Health-Part I: Rationale and State of the Science - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40091656/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40091656/

MattPalmer1086 1y ago

I have had the same experience when attacked. A football hooligan smashed a bottle on my head from behind. Time slowed down. I turned around and could see everything he was doing in slow motion and I was completely calm. I knew what he would do before he could do it. I am not a fighter or physically brave, but I completely disarmed him, put him in a headlock and threw him to the ground.

bcrosby95 1y ago

As a kid I had this happen in sports fairly frequently. What feels like seconds is really a fraction of a second. It helps a lot. I'm not sure I would ascribe it to some mystical thing like chi or ki, just something funky going on with our brains.

jraby3 1y ago

Josh waitzkin breaks this down really well in his book the art of learning. He's a chess champion and push hands champion and discusses how to learn. Basically as you become and expert in something you learn to pay less attention to the surrounding environment and only focus on what matters, which allows you to see it in "slow motion". This applies to chess champions where masters eye movement focuses on a much smaller part of the board than a beginner, and also in push hands or BJJ where experts fighting for a tiny bit of grip change is what matters but a novice might just see the whole body not moving or doing anything that matters. Very worthwhile read.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
Interesting, I wonder if this is the thing that happens to while playing this videogames. At some point after hours (30+) struggling against the same boss,you realize you see everything in slow motion,at that point you know it's the end, you mastered it. I literally say "ok it's done, time to defeat it". Is this Chi I always thought of it as muscle memory, the movement becomes so ingrained in your body that you can focus on things at a higher level. Keep going up the levels and at some point everything looks like trivial details
- ASalazarMX 1y ago
  Based on my own experience, it's nothing like chi or something supernatural. The repetition has lowered the uncertainty of the thing you're trying to do, to the point it's easy to do if you focus. That's it, experience and focus. Even if you mastered something, someone can keep distracting you and you will find it returns to difficult without focus. Even if you focus a lot, hard things have to be repeated to master them.
rasz 1y ago
I think Senna biopic mentioned him saying road moves in slow motion when he gets into the groove.
- robohoe 1y ago

ajb 1y ago

I wonder if we should take seriously the idea that the brain can process information faster in emergencies, rather than this just being our perception. After all, we know our neurons work orders of magnitudes more slowly than transistors, so there would seem to be plenty of room for increase. Obviously there must be some biological reason why we're not usually faster, but perhaps it doesn't preclude a temporary speedup.

vborovikov 1y ago

It's called bottom up processing and time slowing down is a side effect of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_recognition_(psychology)#Top-down_and_bottom-up_processing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_recognition_(psycholog...