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For profit prisons are the worst, it should be a state responsibility not a for profit company. Especially with all the race issues in imprisonment.

by rammer 1y ago

voxadam 1y ago
All prisons in Maine are state or federally operated, none are private or operated for profit.
- citizenpaul 1y ago
  >Wages are garnished for child support, victim restitution and other fees. And for those who earn above a certain amount, 10% goes to the Department of Corrections for room and board. So they take a cut of your pay. Totally not profit? They deserve it? Why not 20% why not 95%.
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  - nickff 1y ago
    This criticism 'proves too much', as the same critique can be made of taxes, which doesn't seem like your intent, unless you believe that prisoners are just the 'tip of the iceberg' when it comes to state-slavery.
    - citizenpaul 1y ago
      This is not rehabilitation. Its a politics long con to get free state money. Anytime someone has no rights and is getting money it goes to their captors. There is no exception. This guy in the link should be on probation at the very least. Also this headline is yellow AF. "Prisoners are thriving" oh yeah? "THRIVING" In f-ing prison? I bet if you asked them 100% would rather not be doing their full time job in prison. I'd stake my life on it in fact.
      - daedrdev 1y ago
        The choice is make 90% of their pay only if they make a lot, setting up a career that might be doomed to a life of crime, or do nothing all day in a cell. They also have to volunteer, what are you even saying
      - johnnyanmac 1y ago
        >This is not rehabilitation. Its a politics long con to get free state money. 1) it can be both 2) I don't see the economic value here. If a prisoner software engineer can make 80k and can instead make 200k if they weren't in prison, what would make the state more? the garnished wages on a prisoner that need to partially go into maintaining the prison, or the taxes on the free person who's paying their own bills? (this isn't rhetorical, I think it's closer than what first blush tells us). > "Prisoners are thriving" oh yeah? "THRIVING" In f-ing prison?] Given the context of the article, I take "thriving" as in "being rehabilitated". Which should be the goal of the justice system, but it's been clear that is almost never is the result. If there's anyone wrongfully imprisoned or otherwise having the book thrown at them, that's a different matter.
nickff 1y ago
From what I understand, Maine has no private prisons; why are you bringing them up in this topic?
- ckemere 1y ago
  I interpreted it as a potential explainer for why this sort of result is unlikely to spread broadly. Do you have knowledge of, eg of New Hampshire (which is mentioned as a counter example in the article?)
  - nickff 1y ago
    I think NH doesn't have any private prisons either, and hasn't since 2000. Private prisons only have about 10% of the total prison population anyway. https://www.criminon.org/where-we-work/united-states/new-hampshire/ https://www.criminon.org/where-we-work/united-states/new-ham... https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-states-use-private-prisons/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-states-use-private-pr...

For profit prisons are the worst, it should be a state responsibility not a for profit company. Especially with all the race issues in imprisonment.

by rammer 1y ago

For profit prisons are the worst, it should be a state responsibility not a for profit company. Especially with all the race issues in imprisonment.

voxadam 1y ago

All prisons in Maine are state or federally operated, none are private or operated for profit.

citizenpaul 1y ago
>Wages are garnished for child support, victim restitution and other fees. And for those who earn above a certain amount, 10% goes to the Department of Corrections for room and board. So they take a cut of your pay. Totally not profit? They deserve it? Why not 20% why not 95%.
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- nickff 1y ago
  This criticism 'proves too much', as the same critique can be made of taxes, which doesn't seem like your intent, unless you believe that prisoners are just the 'tip of the iceberg' when it comes to state-slavery.
  - citizenpaul 1y ago
    This is not rehabilitation. Its a politics long con to get free state money. Anytime someone has no rights and is getting money it goes to their captors. There is no exception. This guy in the link should be on probation at the very least. Also this headline is yellow AF. "Prisoners are thriving" oh yeah? "THRIVING" In f-ing prison? I bet if you asked them 100% would rather not be doing their full time job in prison. I'd stake my life on it in fact.
    - daedrdev 1y ago
      The choice is make 90% of their pay only if they make a lot, setting up a career that might be doomed to a life of crime, or do nothing all day in a cell. They also have to volunteer, what are you even saying
    - johnnyanmac 1y ago
      >This is not rehabilitation. Its a politics long con to get free state money. 1) it can be both 2) I don't see the economic value here. If a prisoner software engineer can make 80k and can instead make 200k if they weren't in prison, what would make the state more? the garnished wages on a prisoner that need to partially go into maintaining the prison, or the taxes on the free person who's paying their own bills? (this isn't rhetorical, I think it's closer than what first blush tells us). > "Prisoners are thriving" oh yeah? "THRIVING" In f-ing prison?] Given the context of the article, I take "thriving" as in "being rehabilitated". Which should be the goal of the justice system, but it's been clear that is almost never is the result. If there's anyone wrongfully imprisoned or otherwise having the book thrown at them, that's a different matter.

nickff 1y ago

From what I understand, Maine has no private prisons; why are you bringing them up in this topic?

ckemere 1y ago
I interpreted it as a potential explainer for why this sort of result is unlikely to spread broadly. Do you have knowledge of, eg of New Hampshire (which is mentioned as a counter example in the article?)
- nickff 1y ago
  I think NH doesn't have any private prisons either, and hasn't since 2000. Private prisons only have about 10% of the total prison population anyway. https://www.criminon.org/where-we-work/united-states/new-hampshire/ https://www.criminon.org/where-we-work/united-states/new-ham... https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-states-use-private-prisons/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-states-use-private-pr...