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On the contrary: terrorism is the way to make the west make a symbolic political gesture AGAINST you. Their terrorism looks a bit less barbaric than what Hamas

by gljiva 1y ago

On the contrary: terrorism is the way to make the west make a symbolic political gesture AGAINST you. Their terrorism looks a bit less barbaric than what Hamas did, but the scale on which it's perpetrated is much larger and the dead babies don't care how it looked when they died. Hamas barbaric terrorist attack shouldn't give carte blanche for an even worse response

guizmo 1y ago
Do you think Israel need to destroy Hamas after October 7th? If you do, what is your magical way to destroy Hamas without killing any civilian?
- wqaatwt 1y ago
  Presumably not what Israel is doing now. I do fully agree with destroying Hamas. How is the current situation going to achieve that? Either they will have to eliminate the entire population of Gaza one way or the other (I can’t see any country that would be willing to accept all those people..) or as soon as they leave Hamas will get thousands and thousands of new recruits, due to obvious reasons. There is no better way to radicalize someone than blowing up their house and murdering their family.. But in large part the main goal of what is happening now is the preservation of Netanyahu’s political career (and that of his cronies). Just like when he was supporting Hamas to divide the Palestinians.
  - guizmo 1y ago
    I see it as Nazi Germany and the de-nazification process. Reconstruction and economic prosperity combined with re-education program lead by the allies occupying the different zones with a clear time-limited mandate. US occupation of Japan after WW2 might also provide some ideas on how it could work. I don't think letting the Nazi regime or the Japan regime survive the war would have been a great idea. I think the same about Hamas. I wonder what would have been the views in the West at the time if TikTok existed and people saw the war as vividly. I can only imagine how the Nazi propaganda would have worked out on the US for example.
    - CapricornNoble 1y ago
      Have you considered that the rest of world is increasingly looking at the Likud Party the same way you view Nazi Germany? Israel is desperately in need of a forceful re-education program. Unfortunately, being a nuclear-armed state makes regime change extremely difficult to achieve on any reasonable timeframe.
      - guizmo 1y ago
        I'm not Israeli. I'm part of the rest of the world and many people where I live and many other countries have the same view as I do about the right of Israel to military action to destroy Hamas. I think there is a much widespread support for Israel than you think. And that the accusation of genocide are meant to silence this support as much as possible. The US (and the UK) did massive damages to my country and particularly my region, while fighting against the Nazis, leveling cities and killing tens of thousands of French citizens. My grand parents had to flee on foot as far as possible from the combat zones on the request of the allies. There even was reports of hundreds of rape and even murders from US troops at the Liberation. And it was much much worse in Germany... No one in their right mind would talk about the US pursuing a genocide against the Germans or the Normans. We don't judge the US based on this, but based on the results they achieved and what they did after the war. I think most Germans also believe this. I will also judge Israel based on what they do after Hamas is defeated. I hope they do the right thing, as the US did. And I believe they will and that it is in their best interest to do so.
      - this2shallPass 1y ago
        It's good you recognize the need of a re-education program and regime change. Once one side gets re-education and the right leadership, the conflict can be solved peacefully and both sides can coexist productively. You seem to have concluded the wrong party needs those things.
        wqaatwt 1y ago
        There is a fringe minority in Israel (who seem to be very influential politically due to various reasons) who are only marginally better than Hamas, though.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
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- bigyabai 1y ago
  If a cop shoots at a terrorist through a human shield, the terrorist did not kill anyone. They "win" in this scenario. This is why the concept of patient de-escalation is consistent across all successful doctrines that combat terrorism. Terror is not defeated if the state copies chaotic strategies, only perpetuated.
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by gljiva 1y ago

guizmo 1y ago

Do you think Israel need to destroy Hamas after October 7th? If you do, what is your magical way to destroy Hamas without killing any civilian?

wqaatwt 1y ago
Presumably not what Israel is doing now. I do fully agree with destroying Hamas. How is the current situation going to achieve that? Either they will have to eliminate the entire population of Gaza one way or the other (I can’t see any country that would be willing to accept all those people..) or as soon as they leave Hamas will get thousands and thousands of new recruits, due to obvious reasons. There is no better way to radicalize someone than blowing up their house and murdering their family.. But in large part the main goal of what is happening now is the preservation of Netanyahu’s political career (and that of his cronies). Just like when he was supporting Hamas to divide the Palestinians.
- guizmo 1y ago
  I see it as Nazi Germany and the de-nazification process. Reconstruction and economic prosperity combined with re-education program lead by the allies occupying the different zones with a clear time-limited mandate. US occupation of Japan after WW2 might also provide some ideas on how it could work. I don't think letting the Nazi regime or the Japan regime survive the war would have been a great idea. I think the same about Hamas. I wonder what would have been the views in the West at the time if TikTok existed and people saw the war as vividly. I can only imagine how the Nazi propaganda would have worked out on the US for example.
  - CapricornNoble 1y ago
    Have you considered that the rest of world is increasingly looking at the Likud Party the same way you view Nazi Germany? Israel is desperately in need of a forceful re-education program. Unfortunately, being a nuclear-armed state makes regime change extremely difficult to achieve on any reasonable timeframe.
    - guizmo 1y ago
      I'm not Israeli. I'm part of the rest of the world and many people where I live and many other countries have the same view as I do about the right of Israel to military action to destroy Hamas. I think there is a much widespread support for Israel than you think. And that the accusation of genocide are meant to silence this support as much as possible. The US (and the UK) did massive damages to my country and particularly my region, while fighting against the Nazis, leveling cities and killing tens of thousands of French citizens. My grand parents had to flee on foot as far as possible from the combat zones on the request of the allies. There even was reports of hundreds of rape and even murders from US troops at the Liberation. And it was much much worse in Germany... No one in their right mind would talk about the US pursuing a genocide against the Germans or the Normans. We don't judge the US based on this, but based on the results they achieved and what they did after the war. I think most Germans also believe this. I will also judge Israel based on what they do after Hamas is defeated. I hope they do the right thing, as the US did. And I believe they will and that it is in their best interest to do so.
    - this2shallPass 1y ago
      It's good you recognize the need of a re-education program and regime change. Once one side gets re-education and the right leadership, the conflict can be solved peacefully and both sides can coexist productively. You seem to have concluded the wrong party needs those things.
      - wqaatwt 1y ago
        There is a fringe minority in Israel (who seem to be very influential politically due to various reasons) who are only marginally better than Hamas, though.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

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bigyabai 1y ago
If a cop shoots at a terrorist through a human shield, the terrorist did not kill anyone. They "win" in this scenario. This is why the concept of patient de-escalation is consistent across all successful doctrines that combat terrorism. Terror is not defeated if the state copies chaotic strategies, only perpetuated.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
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- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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