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> Armed civilians with their puny little guns and little organization are right out as soon as any part of the military joins a fight, that's why I only mention

> Armed civilians with their puny little guns and little organization are right out as soon as any part of the military joins a fight, that's why I only mentioned the latter to begin with. We have several recent real-world examples of that not working out for the military. Assuming like minded people wont self-organize is a bad starting point, and jets and tanks have a tough time doing things like enforcing curfews. That's also ignoring that such a scenario would involve portions of said military force joining the civilian resistance, including those in leadership positions. Besides, I've always hated this argument, because why fight the military when they can just target the politicians directly.

ajuc 1y ago
You cut off the supplies, and wait 2 weeks. Modern civilization collapses, gangs take over, people ask the army on their knees to return.
Jensson 1y ago
> We have several recent real-world examples of that not working out for the military. Only when the military is not serious since they are not fighting for their own lands and the civilians are backed by another country. When the military is fighting civilians in its own homeland the civilians stand no chance unless they get massive help from foreign powers. > Besides, I've always hated this argument, because why fight the military when they can just target the politicians directly. Even if you do that its still the military that gets to decide the next leader, killing their leader does not lead to democracy. Nazism didn't end with Hitlers death, it ended with the country being taken over. Oppressive Communisms didn't end with Stalins death etc. There are always enough likeminded people that you can't end a horrible reign just by killing the leader.
- nobody9999 1y ago
  >There are always enough likeminded people that you can't end a horrible reign just by killing the leader. An excellent point. Just look at the line of succession to the Presidency right now[0]: No. Office Incumbent Party 1 Vice President JD Vance Republican 2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Mike Johnson Republican 3 President pro tempore of the Senate Chuck Grassley Republican 4 Secretary of State Marco Rubio Republican 5 Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent Republican 6 Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth Republican 7 Attorney General Pam Bondi Republican 8 Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum Republican 9 Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins Republican 10 Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick Republican 11 Secretary of Labor Lori Chavez-DeRemer Republican 12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Independent 13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Scott Turner Republican 14 Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy Republican 15 Secretary of Energy Chris Wright Republican 16 Secretary of Education Linda McMahon Republican 17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Doug Collins Republican 18 Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem Republican Now which one is dedicated to the Constitution/rule of law? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_lin...

ajuc 1y ago

You cut off the supplies, and wait 2 weeks. Modern civilization collapses, gangs take over, people ask the army on their knees to return.

Jensson 1y ago

> We have several recent real-world examples of that not working out for the military. Only when the military is not serious since they are not fighting for their own lands and the civilians are backed by another country. When the military is fighting civilians in its own homeland the civilians stand no chance unless they get massive help from foreign powers. > Besides, I've always hated this argument, because why fight the military when they can just target the politicians directly. Even if you do that its still the military that gets to decide the next leader, killing their leader does not lead to democracy. Nazism didn't end with Hitlers death, it ended with the country being taken over. Oppressive Communisms didn't end with Stalins death etc. There are always enough likeminded people that you can't end a horrible reign just by killing the leader.

nobody9999 1y ago
>There are always enough likeminded people that you can't end a horrible reign just by killing the leader. An excellent point. Just look at the line of succession to the Presidency right now[0]: No. Office Incumbent Party 1 Vice President JD Vance Republican 2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Mike Johnson Republican 3 President pro tempore of the Senate Chuck Grassley Republican 4 Secretary of State Marco Rubio Republican 5 Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent Republican 6 Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth Republican 7 Attorney General Pam Bondi Republican 8 Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum Republican 9 Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins Republican 10 Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick Republican 11 Secretary of Labor Lori Chavez-DeRemer Republican 12 Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Independent 13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Scott Turner Republican 14 Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy Republican 15 Secretary of Energy Chris Wright Republican 16 Secretary of Education Linda McMahon Republican 17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Doug Collins Republican 18 Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem Republican Now which one is dedicated to the Constitution/rule of law? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_lin...