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If you have an adblocker it might be intentional.

by RisingFusion 1y ago

mwkaufma 1y ago
Hanlon's Razor: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
- ses1984 1y ago
  I’m sorry but big tech doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt.
  - mwkaufma 1y ago
    The benefit of the doubt... that corps _don't_ write clunky, slow software?
    - jamesnorden 1y ago
      When the supposed to bug happens to conveniently cause issues for adblocker users, yeah.
      - mwkaufma 1y ago
        Possible, but still just an assumption.
  - jitix 1y ago
    Google does - Google search and maps have gotten objectively worse over the past 2 years. At least in Canada. I have 38 locations in my (huge) city saved in Google maps and it breaks when I ask it to find a way from point A to point B. Works fine when logged out. Maps also put traffic signals where there are none, and while finding shortest path it stopped putting weights to traffic signals. So you could have it route you via a city's main street instead of the freeway because it's 2km shorter but it ignores the 9 traffic signals that wastes 15 mins. Apple maps works fine. Google search on web has adopted bad UX, and clicking a map or a shopping item has a noticeable delay between. Also right click "Open in new tab" options are gone. Are you saying all these "enshittification" changes are deliberate?
    - ChocoStarQuest9 1y ago
      Have you told them yet?
- izzydata 1y ago
  Programmers are usually pretty smart though.
  - mwkaufma 1y ago
    Their middle mgmt though?
    - lioeters 1y ago
      Malicious and incompetent.
- slacktivism123 1y ago
  >Hanlon's Razor Sorry, but drive-by philosophy is not applicable here. YouTube developers single out adblocker users and taunt them with an "Experiencing interruptions" toast prompt that locks the video stream for ~5 seconds. Curiously, it contains a link to the YouTube Help Center, to the section fragment "#check_ad_blockers". In other words: "yeah, we know you've got uBlock Origin enabled, enjoy the speedbump". Player base.js: api.XL("innertubeCommand",{openPopupAction:{popup:{notificationActionRenderer:{responseText:{runs:[{text:"Experiencing interruptions?"}]},actionButton:{buttonRenderer:{style:"STYLE_OVERLAY",size:"SIZE_DEFAULT", text:{runs:[{text:"Find out why"}]},navigationEndpoint:{commandMetadata:{webCommandMetadata:{url:"https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3037019#check_ad_blockers User reports: https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1la6tkm/anybody_noticed_that_youtube_is_displaying_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1la6tkm/anybody_no...
  - josefritzishere 1y ago
    I have noticed this but have been unable to explain it until now.
  - y-c-o-m-b 1y ago
    So that's what it is! I've never seen the toast message, but I had a suspicion it was intentional on YouTube's side considering it doesn't occur in Chrome. Sadly I don't see a work-around in that reddit thread. I wonder if someone has a violentmonkey script for it.
crazygringo 1y ago
That's not plausible. If someone sees, oh YouTube is making my computer hot, the last thing that's going to occur to them is, "wait let me try turning off my adblocker." When corporations try to change people's incentives, they are obvious about it, so people know what to change. In contrast, changing CPU usage on video playback for people who use adblockers and then not telling anyone is... just not a strategy that makes any sense at all.
- j45 1y ago
  It might be worth finding out what codec might be coming down the pipe in any case.
- hedora 1y ago
  Sure it is. They’ve done crap like make firefox or safari run hot on other Google properties in the past. Is it incompetence or sabotage? Who knows. The first rule of sabotage is to be indistinguishable from incompetence. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    Incompetence is by definition not intentional, and sabotage is the action of a rogue employee, not corporate strategy. A corporation can't intentionally sabotage itself, by definition.
    - kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
      They're sabotaging non-Chrome browsers to drive people toward their platform with the strategically weakened extension API.
      - crazygringo 1y ago
        I don't think that has any connection to the subject under discussion, which is about whether YouTube CPU performance would lead people to turn off adblockers. Not about getting people to switch to Chrome.
itissid 1y ago
Possibly You are conflating CPU usage with halting of video for length of the ad? ad blocker halts the video i.e.spinner widget appears for length of the ad.
vdnkh 1y ago
I work for another large streaming site where people like to use adblockers. These adblockers also cause similar performance issues that are entirely caused by awful code in these blockers. I've studied the code for all of these blockers and they do stuff like: - Constantly hammering the playlist endpoint to try and get something without an ad stitched in - Constantly tearing down and remaking the player - During an ad, requesting the playlist for every other quality to see if those do not have any stitched ads - Proxying all traffic to servers the adblocker people own in countries where ads are not typically served (eg Russia) - Intercepting playlist requests and simply deleting segments that they believe are ads (oh no why is my stream broken!!! stupid streaming website!!) Youtube _could_ be doing something here, but there is also a very real chance your adblocker code is simply bad.
- jamesnorden 1y ago
  None of what you're mentioning applies to uBlock interacting with YouTube, I suspect you're talking about Twitch, which bakes the ad breaks into the stream so you still get the stream interrupted even you manage to block the ads, making people resort to hacky things like using the homepage player when an ad would be played.

If you have an adblocker it might be intentional.

mwkaufma 1y ago

Hanlon's Razor: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

ses1984 1y ago
I’m sorry but big tech doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt.
- mwkaufma 1y ago
  The benefit of the doubt... that corps _don't_ write clunky, slow software?
  - jamesnorden 1y ago
    When the supposed to bug happens to conveniently cause issues for adblocker users, yeah.
    - mwkaufma 1y ago
      Possible, but still just an assumption.
- jitix 1y ago
  Google does - Google search and maps have gotten objectively worse over the past 2 years. At least in Canada. I have 38 locations in my (huge) city saved in Google maps and it breaks when I ask it to find a way from point A to point B. Works fine when logged out. Maps also put traffic signals where there are none, and while finding shortest path it stopped putting weights to traffic signals. So you could have it route you via a city's main street instead of the freeway because it's 2km shorter but it ignores the 9 traffic signals that wastes 15 mins. Apple maps works fine. Google search on web has adopted bad UX, and clicking a map or a shopping item has a noticeable delay between. Also right click "Open in new tab" options are gone. Are you saying all these "enshittification" changes are deliberate?
  - ChocoStarQuest9 1y ago
    Have you told them yet?
izzydata 1y ago
Programmers are usually pretty smart though.
- mwkaufma 1y ago
  Their middle mgmt though?
  - lioeters 1y ago
    Malicious and incompetent.
slacktivism123 1y ago
>Hanlon's Razor Sorry, but drive-by philosophy is not applicable here. YouTube developers single out adblocker users and taunt them with an "Experiencing interruptions" toast prompt that locks the video stream for ~5 seconds. Curiously, it contains a link to the YouTube Help Center, to the section fragment "#check_ad_blockers". In other words: "yeah, we know you've got uBlock Origin enabled, enjoy the speedbump". Player base.js: api.XL("innertubeCommand",{openPopupAction:{popup:{notificationActionRenderer:{responseText:{runs:[{text:"Experiencing interruptions?"}]},actionButton:{buttonRenderer:{style:"STYLE_OVERLAY",size:"SIZE_DEFAULT", text:{runs:[{text:"Find out why"}]},navigationEndpoint:{commandMetadata:{webCommandMetadata:{url:"https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3037019#check_ad_blockers User reports: https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1la6tkm/anybody_noticed_that_youtube_is_displaying_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1la6tkm/anybody_no...
- josefritzishere 1y ago
  I have noticed this but have been unable to explain it until now.
- y-c-o-m-b 1y ago
  So that's what it is! I've never seen the toast message, but I had a suspicion it was intentional on YouTube's side considering it doesn't occur in Chrome. Sadly I don't see a work-around in that reddit thread. I wonder if someone has a violentmonkey script for it.

crazygringo 1y ago

That's not plausible. If someone sees, oh YouTube is making my computer hot, the last thing that's going to occur to them is, "wait let me try turning off my adblocker." When corporations try to change people's incentives, they are obvious about it, so people know what to change. In contrast, changing CPU usage on video playback for people who use adblockers and then not telling anyone is... just not a strategy that makes any sense at all.

j45 1y ago
It might be worth finding out what codec might be coming down the pipe in any case.
hedora 1y ago
Sure it is. They’ve done crap like make firefox or safari run hot on other Google properties in the past. Is it incompetence or sabotage? Who knows. The first rule of sabotage is to be indistinguishable from incompetence. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184
- crazygringo 1y ago
  Incompetence is by definition not intentional, and sabotage is the action of a rogue employee, not corporate strategy. A corporation can't intentionally sabotage itself, by definition.
  - kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
    They're sabotaging non-Chrome browsers to drive people toward their platform with the strategically weakened extension API.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      I don't think that has any connection to the subject under discussion, which is about whether YouTube CPU performance would lead people to turn off adblockers. Not about getting people to switch to Chrome.

itissid 1y ago

Possibly You are conflating CPU usage with halting of video for length of the ad? ad blocker halts the video i.e.spinner widget appears for length of the ad.

vdnkh 1y ago

I work for another large streaming site where people like to use adblockers. These adblockers also cause similar performance issues that are entirely caused by awful code in these blockers. I've studied the code for all of these blockers and they do stuff like: - Constantly hammering the playlist endpoint to try and get something without an ad stitched in - Constantly tearing down and remaking the player - During an ad, requesting the playlist for every other quality to see if those do not have any stitched ads - Proxying all traffic to servers the adblocker people own in countries where ads are not typically served (eg Russia) - Intercepting playlist requests and simply deleting segments that they believe are ads (oh no why is my stream broken!!! stupid streaming website!!) Youtube _could_ be doing something here, but there is also a very real chance your adblocker code is simply bad.

jamesnorden 1y ago
None of what you're mentioning applies to uBlock interacting with YouTube, I suspect you're talking about Twitch, which bakes the ad breaks into the stream so you still get the stream interrupted even you manage to block the ads, making people resort to hacky things like using the homepage player when an ad would be played.