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So much negativity. I’m just excited that our industry is lead by optimists and our culture enables our corporations to invest huge sums into taking us forward

by kiratp 1y ago

So much negativity. I’m just excited that our industry is lead by optimists and our culture enables our corporations to invest huge sums into taking us forward technologically. Meta could have just done a stock buyback but instead they made a computer that can talk, see, solve problems and paint virtual things into the real world in front of your eyes! I commend them on attempting a live demo.

ares623 1y ago
He's the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation, promising technology that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. He deserves every bit of scrutiny he gets.
- 8note 1y ago
  > that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. what livelihood are these glasses putting at risk?
  - ares623 1y ago
    I was referring to AI/LLMs in general.
  - bamboozled 1y ago
    Do you think his algorithms have kind of, you know, sewed the seeds of hatred and rage through our society? Do you think all the lies an misinformation his products help spread kind of...get people elected who take away the aid which millions of women and children rely on? Not blaming him for it all, we all play our part, but the guy has definitely contributed negatively to society overall and if he is smart enough to know this, but he cannot turn off the profit making machine he created so we all suffer for that. The parent said alluded to the dangers of AI, well the algorithms that are making us hate each other and become paranoid are that AI.
qmmmur 1y ago
But that’s the thing… it’s not a live demo…
- kiratp 1y ago
  I see no evidence of that. It seems like they tried to put the AI “on rails” with predefined steps and things went wrong.
  - throwuxiytayq 1y ago
    So there was no AI. I know there’s a lot of confusion regarding the exact definition of AI these days, but I’m pretty sure we can this one time all agree that an “on rails” scenario ain’t it. Therefore, whatever it is that they were doing out there, they weren’t demoing their AI product. You could even say it wasn’t a live demo of the product.
    - kiratp 1y ago
      You can put the AI on rails by just prompting by it. The latest models are very steerable. System prompt: “stick to steps 1-n. Step 1 is…” I can say confidently because our company does this. And we have F500 customers in production.
      - throwawayoldie 1y ago
        And a Fortune 500 company has never done anything stupid.
johnfn 1y ago
Yes, the mocking, gleeful negativity really does make me concerned that this place is becoming Reddit. The fact that the highest upvoted post on this thread is just a link to Reddit isn't doing much to help me feel better. And I've been here for at least a decade, so I don't think this is the noob illusion.
- lefstathiou 1y ago
  Bots bots bots... tearing down our stars is good business for a variety of vested interests. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
  - wewtyflakes 1y ago
    We are not bots, we just loathe historically bad-faith actors and especially with the current climate, we will take the opportunity of harmless schadenfreude where we can get it.
- kilroy123 1y ago
  I've been here for over a decade. It has become very reddit like in the past few years. I want to get into YC just to use and browse Bookface instead.
- ants_everywhere 1y ago
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  - mvdtnz 1y ago
    > the people funding the anti-AI movement You can't be serious.
    - ants_everywhere 1y ago
      Well the movement exists and they have funding so somebody is funding it. Unless you think they run entirely on the barter system.
WD-42 1y ago
Oh please. This isn't like the old iPhone days where new features and amazing tech were revealed during live demos. Failure was acceptable then because what we were being shown was new and pushing the envelope. Meta and friends have been selling us AI for a couple years now, shoving it everywhere they can and promising us it's going to revolutionize the workforce and world, replace jobs, etc. But it fails to put together a steak sauce recipe. The disconnect is why so many people are mocking this. It's not comparable.
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dkjaudyeqooe 1y ago
All you're doing here is associating your hopes and dreams with grifters and charlatans. They should be mocked and called out, it might leave room for actual innovators who aren't glossy incompetents and bullshitters.
wolvesechoes 1y ago
> I’m just excited that our industry is lead by optimists and our culture enables our corporations to invest huge sums into taking us forward technologically. I am always baffled that people can be that naive.
- lioeters 1y ago
  It's a weird way to put it too, "our industry" and "our culture" enables "our corporations". They're not "our" corporations as a society, why should we be excited about their investments. There's a cognitive dissonance between talking about capitalist entities that supposedly drive social and technological progress, and the repeated use of the collective "our" and "us". Corporations are not altruistic optimists aiming to better our lives.

by kiratp 1y ago

ares623 1y ago

He's the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation, promising technology that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. He deserves every bit of scrutiny he gets.

8note 1y ago
> that puts the livelihoods of millions of people at risk. what livelihood are these glasses putting at risk?
- ares623 1y ago
  I was referring to AI/LLMs in general.
- bamboozled 1y ago
  Do you think his algorithms have kind of, you know, sewed the seeds of hatred and rage through our society? Do you think all the lies an misinformation his products help spread kind of...get people elected who take away the aid which millions of women and children rely on? Not blaming him for it all, we all play our part, but the guy has definitely contributed negatively to society overall and if he is smart enough to know this, but he cannot turn off the profit making machine he created so we all suffer for that. The parent said alluded to the dangers of AI, well the algorithms that are making us hate each other and become paranoid are that AI.

qmmmur 1y ago

But that’s the thing… it’s not a live demo…

kiratp 1y ago
I see no evidence of that. It seems like they tried to put the AI “on rails” with predefined steps and things went wrong.
- throwuxiytayq 1y ago
  So there was no AI. I know there’s a lot of confusion regarding the exact definition of AI these days, but I’m pretty sure we can this one time all agree that an “on rails” scenario ain’t it. Therefore, whatever it is that they were doing out there, they weren’t demoing their AI product. You could even say it wasn’t a live demo of the product.
  - kiratp 1y ago
    You can put the AI on rails by just prompting by it. The latest models are very steerable. System prompt: “stick to steps 1-n. Step 1 is…” I can say confidently because our company does this. And we have F500 customers in production.
    - throwawayoldie 1y ago
      And a Fortune 500 company has never done anything stupid.

johnfn 1y ago

Yes, the mocking, gleeful negativity really does make me concerned that this place is becoming Reddit. The fact that the highest upvoted post on this thread is just a link to Reddit isn't doing much to help me feel better. And I've been here for at least a decade, so I don't think this is the noob illusion.

lefstathiou 1y ago
Bots bots bots... tearing down our stars is good business for a variety of vested interests. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
- wewtyflakes 1y ago
  We are not bots, we just loathe historically bad-faith actors and especially with the current climate, we will take the opportunity of harmless schadenfreude where we can get it.
kilroy123 1y ago
I've been here for over a decade. It has become very reddit like in the past few years. I want to get into YC just to use and browse Bookface instead.
ants_everywhere 1y ago
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- mvdtnz 1y ago
  > the people funding the anti-AI movement You can't be serious.
  - ants_everywhere 1y ago
    Well the movement exists and they have funding so somebody is funding it. Unless you think they run entirely on the barter system.

WD-42 1y ago

Oh please. This isn't like the old iPhone days where new features and amazing tech were revealed during live demos. Failure was acceptable then because what we were being shown was new and pushing the envelope. Meta and friends have been selling us AI for a couple years now, shoving it everywhere they can and promising us it's going to revolutionize the workforce and world, replace jobs, etc. But it fails to put together a steak sauce recipe. The disconnect is why so many people are mocking this. It's not comparable.

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dkjaudyeqooe 1y ago

All you're doing here is associating your hopes and dreams with grifters and charlatans. They should be mocked and called out, it might leave room for actual innovators who aren't glossy incompetents and bullshitters.

wolvesechoes 1y ago

> I’m just excited that our industry is lead by optimists and our culture enables our corporations to invest huge sums into taking us forward technologically. I am always baffled that people can be that naive.

lioeters 1y ago
It's a weird way to put it too, "our industry" and "our culture" enables "our corporations". They're not "our" corporations as a society, why should we be excited about their investments. There's a cognitive dissonance between talking about capitalist entities that supposedly drive social and technological progress, and the repeated use of the collective "our" and "us". Corporations are not altruistic optimists aiming to better our lives.