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I suspect two things, low-calorie diets consisting predominantly of fresh foods and vegetables. And active lifestyle. It is unreal how much a good diet and wal

I suspect two things, low-calorie diets consisting predominantly of fresh foods and vegetables. And active lifestyle. It is unreal how much a good diet and walking everyday will change your entire life.

supportengineer 1y ago
I recently had an experience where I needed to do physical labor about 16 hours a day for two weeks, at the same time there was hardly any time to eat so I had to eat very small and simple meals. At the end of the two weeks I felt amazing.
- Lwerewolf 1y ago
  Be careful with that feeling and don't underfuel, or at least keep it at "sane" levels. I feel pretty amazing and full after 62km/2700mD+ XCMs as well, as an extreme example... which is at least partially due to the immune system (and resp. inflammation/etc) being suppressed. Long, light/moderate efforts without adequate food intake and rest can lead to the same thing.
  - jama211 1y ago
    What are XCMs? 2700mD? Why would the immune system being suppressed make you feel good? I’m so confused
    - Lwerewolf 1y ago
      Stress hormones. Read up on cortisol's effects. XCM - cross country marathon (MTB race). 2700mD+ - 2.7km of vertical gain. A reduction of inflammation is a general effect of anti-inflammatory drugs, which tend to make you feel better. There's a LOT more than that (i.e. say, all the things that fall under the umbrella of "runner's high"), but the TL:DR is that significant physical activity / energy expenditure, combined with a lack of proper rest & nutrition leads to long-term undesirable effects that can definitely be masked and/or disregarded.
  - _zoltan_ 1y ago
    I have no idea what you wrote and you shouldn't assume people know some niece jargon.
  - karp773 1y ago
    I fugure XCM must be cross country marathon, where 62km is the distance. But what is mD? Difference in elevation in meters?
- JJMcJ 1y ago
  Did a major house cleaning a few years ago, got me out of the chair and the couch for a couple of weeks. Probably not as intense as your experience but I definitely felt better and was more flexible for about a month afterwards.
- xhkkffbf 1y ago
  I think this works well for relatively short bursts, but if you made it a regular habit your body would start to break down after a year or two.
majkinetor 1y ago
Japanese food is not actually so great, especially nowadays - lots of carbs for one. Good Japanese food is not so different from Mediatorial.
- fragmede 1y ago
  I'm no food historian/scientist, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese have been eating rice, which is a carb, even longer than has been a Japan.
panny 1y ago
That's pretty close. If I had to sum it up in one word, it would be: trains. Car culture makes Americans fat and lazy. 40% of US adults are obese. 80% are overweight. Walking and good food, yeah, that helps. But trains introduce short sprints into everyday life. It starts with "He's too late, he's never gonna catch it... well I'll be damned, he did it." and pretty soon, you're saying "We can catch it, just run!" Everyone on the train has a shopping bag, because trains don't have huge trunks like a car. You want groceries? Carry it. Good exercise. Trains also remove the road rage from your life, the daily stress of defensive driving in a fast moving freeway full of other angry drivers. Trains eliminate the premature death caused by road accidents which not only lower life expectancy directly, but indirectly as bread winners are taken from families. The car exhaust is gone too. Trains reshape how towns are built, with higher density and less parking. More walking! Everything mushrooms out from the decision to travel with trains. It's little wonder why Japan has the lowest obesity rate in the world.
- johndhi 1y ago
  By this logic wouldn't people in nyc, London, Washington dc, and Paris be living extra long?
  - panny 1y ago
    The answer to that should be fairly obvious after Iryna Zarutska and Emily Carlson happened so recently. American and Japanese trains are not qualitatively the same. Vagrants and solicitors wander the local trains here like it is their asylum. Amtrak is a lot safer since they have conductors checking tickets, but that is still very loud and unruly. If you'd like a more direct comparison to Japan, try Hong Kong, another place where I have spent a fair amount of time riding the trains. They also have world leading life expectancy.
  - shagmin 1y ago
    Life expectancy in NYC is 82.6 vs 78.4 overall for USA. Lots of variables and such, but NYC must be doing something better than the rest of the country and I wouldn't doubt trains (and walkability) are a contributing factor.
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numpad0 1y ago
The actual traditional Japanese food consists of obscene amount of carbohydrates taken with pickles flavored salt with little to no protein or fat intakes. The role of carbs and proteins is switched from a stereotypical European dinner, a meal is about how to deal with the grains. This naturally shortens body heights and take diabetics out of family lines. This had changed massively owing to Westernization of diet and had reduced stroke(brain and heart) deaths even as recent as last ~30 years. This is apparently weird even to Chinese people; an image of ramen with rice and roast dumplings on sides amounts to a ragebait to them(as well as to experts in cardiovascular systems), while it's nothing more than a common lunch menu to students and young workers in Japan. But I digress - my point is, the real traditional Japanese meal is more like half a football worth of rice with vegetable flavored salt, quite unlike idealized modern interpretations thereof.
- decimalenough 1y ago
  Otherwise correct, but the real real traditional Japanese diet was barley (mugi), millet (kibi/hie) and sorghum (awa), not just white rice, which was an unaffordable luxury for many peasants.
  - hollerith 1y ago
    Gemini disagrees with this.
    - decimalenough 1y ago
      Try an actual source: https://2024.sci-hub.se/1147/ff0abbc773b295a97bc927b98dcaed94/francks2003.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitH https://2024.sci-hub.se/1147/ff0abbc773b295a97bc927b98dcaed9... It is true that rice was always the prestige food consumed by the upper classes, and the peasantry ate rice too, but it was only one of the five staples (gokoku) and was often extended with other grains (mugigohan etc).
      - hollerith 1y ago
        Your pdf is mostly about the 1870s and later. (Although it does mention the Tokugawa period, which began in 1603, it seems to do so for quite tangential reason.) In contrast, people in East Asia started cultivating rice 9,000 years ago, and modern Japanese are probably mostly descended from these early rice farmers (who started out in China, then spread to Korea and then Japan) with a substantial contribution from another population called Jomon, which were already in Japan when the heavily-rice-dependent people started to arrive in Japan about 2,300 years ago and who lived mostly by hunting and gathering. This is relevant because some people here are advocating for everyone to adopt a Japanese-like diet, which might not turn out so well for you unless most your ancestors have 8,000 or 9,000 years of experience getting most of their calories from grains.

supportengineer 1y ago

I recently had an experience where I needed to do physical labor about 16 hours a day for two weeks, at the same time there was hardly any time to eat so I had to eat very small and simple meals. At the end of the two weeks I felt amazing.

Lwerewolf 1y ago
Be careful with that feeling and don't underfuel, or at least keep it at "sane" levels. I feel pretty amazing and full after 62km/2700mD+ XCMs as well, as an extreme example... which is at least partially due to the immune system (and resp. inflammation/etc) being suppressed. Long, light/moderate efforts without adequate food intake and rest can lead to the same thing.
- jama211 1y ago
  What are XCMs? 2700mD? Why would the immune system being suppressed make you feel good? I’m so confused
  - Lwerewolf 1y ago
    Stress hormones. Read up on cortisol's effects. XCM - cross country marathon (MTB race). 2700mD+ - 2.7km of vertical gain. A reduction of inflammation is a general effect of anti-inflammatory drugs, which tend to make you feel better. There's a LOT more than that (i.e. say, all the things that fall under the umbrella of "runner's high"), but the TL:DR is that significant physical activity / energy expenditure, combined with a lack of proper rest & nutrition leads to long-term undesirable effects that can definitely be masked and/or disregarded.
- _zoltan_ 1y ago
  I have no idea what you wrote and you shouldn't assume people know some niece jargon.
- karp773 1y ago
  I fugure XCM must be cross country marathon, where 62km is the distance. But what is mD? Difference in elevation in meters?
JJMcJ 1y ago
Did a major house cleaning a few years ago, got me out of the chair and the couch for a couple of weeks. Probably not as intense as your experience but I definitely felt better and was more flexible for about a month afterwards.
xhkkffbf 1y ago
I think this works well for relatively short bursts, but if you made it a regular habit your body would start to break down after a year or two.

majkinetor 1y ago

Japanese food is not actually so great, especially nowadays - lots of carbs for one. Good Japanese food is not so different from Mediatorial.

fragmede 1y ago
I'm no food historian/scientist, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese have been eating rice, which is a carb, even longer than has been a Japan.

panny 1y ago

That's pretty close. If I had to sum it up in one word, it would be: trains. Car culture makes Americans fat and lazy. 40% of US adults are obese. 80% are overweight. Walking and good food, yeah, that helps. But trains introduce short sprints into everyday life. It starts with "He's too late, he's never gonna catch it... well I'll be damned, he did it." and pretty soon, you're saying "We can catch it, just run!" Everyone on the train has a shopping bag, because trains don't have huge trunks like a car. You want groceries? Carry it. Good exercise. Trains also remove the road rage from your life, the daily stress of defensive driving in a fast moving freeway full of other angry drivers. Trains eliminate the premature death caused by road accidents which not only lower life expectancy directly, but indirectly as bread winners are taken from families. The car exhaust is gone too. Trains reshape how towns are built, with higher density and less parking. More walking! Everything mushrooms out from the decision to travel with trains. It's little wonder why Japan has the lowest obesity rate in the world.

johndhi 1y ago
By this logic wouldn't people in nyc, London, Washington dc, and Paris be living extra long?
- panny 1y ago
  The answer to that should be fairly obvious after Iryna Zarutska and Emily Carlson happened so recently. American and Japanese trains are not qualitatively the same. Vagrants and solicitors wander the local trains here like it is their asylum. Amtrak is a lot safer since they have conductors checking tickets, but that is still very loud and unruly. If you'd like a more direct comparison to Japan, try Hong Kong, another place where I have spent a fair amount of time riding the trains. They also have world leading life expectancy.
- shagmin 1y ago
  Life expectancy in NYC is 82.6 vs 78.4 overall for USA. Lots of variables and such, but NYC must be doing something better than the rest of the country and I wouldn't doubt trains (and walkability) are a contributing factor.
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numpad0 1y ago

The actual traditional Japanese food consists of obscene amount of carbohydrates taken with pickles flavored salt with little to no protein or fat intakes. The role of carbs and proteins is switched from a stereotypical European dinner, a meal is about how to deal with the grains. This naturally shortens body heights and take diabetics out of family lines. This had changed massively owing to Westernization of diet and had reduced stroke(brain and heart) deaths even as recent as last ~30 years. This is apparently weird even to Chinese people; an image of ramen with rice and roast dumplings on sides amounts to a ragebait to them(as well as to experts in cardiovascular systems), while it's nothing more than a common lunch menu to students and young workers in Japan. But I digress - my point is, the real traditional Japanese meal is more like half a football worth of rice with vegetable flavored salt, quite unlike idealized modern interpretations thereof.

decimalenough 1y ago
Otherwise correct, but the real real traditional Japanese diet was barley (mugi), millet (kibi/hie) and sorghum (awa), not just white rice, which was an unaffordable luxury for many peasants.
- hollerith 1y ago
  Gemini disagrees with this.
  - decimalenough 1y ago
    Try an actual source: https://2024.sci-hub.se/1147/ff0abbc773b295a97bc927b98dcaed94/francks2003.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitH https://2024.sci-hub.se/1147/ff0abbc773b295a97bc927b98dcaed9... It is true that rice was always the prestige food consumed by the upper classes, and the peasantry ate rice too, but it was only one of the five staples (gokoku) and was often extended with other grains (mugigohan etc).
    - hollerith 1y ago
      Your pdf is mostly about the 1870s and later. (Although it does mention the Tokugawa period, which began in 1603, it seems to do so for quite tangential reason.) In contrast, people in East Asia started cultivating rice 9,000 years ago, and modern Japanese are probably mostly descended from these early rice farmers (who started out in China, then spread to Korea and then Japan) with a substantial contribution from another population called Jomon, which were already in Japan when the heavily-rice-dependent people started to arrive in Japan about 2,300 years ago and who lived mostly by hunting and gathering. This is relevant because some people here are advocating for everyone to adopt a Japanese-like diet, which might not turn out so well for you unless most your ancestors have 8,000 or 9,000 years of experience getting most of their calories from grains.