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Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

by yoavfr 1y ago

pbaehr 1y ago
I think it's a perfect (and subtle) way to signal that refreshing is unnecessary to see the latest data without wasting UI space explicitly explaining it. It was my favorite thing about the UI and I will be borrowing it next time I design a real-time interface where the numbers matter more than the precise timing.
- CjHuber 1y ago
  really? it left a bad aftertaste for me
  - jcul 1y ago
    It's not that it's a fake number. They are saying the number is real, just it goes to current_value - 1, and then current value to indicate the value is updating live. Not sure if that was clear. Edit: I don't know if it's a real number but that's the claim in the comment above at least
    - CjHuber 1y ago
      I understand, it’s not about the number itself. My first thought when I opened the page was wow there was a update coincidentally right when I opened it. When refreshing again I felt like wtf I was being mislead
      - jcul 1y ago
        Yeah true, I was suspicious about that too.
- zestyping 1y ago
  It's a lie, though. When I see it, I know the interface is lying to me, and then I trust it less henceforth. I'll never build a lie into my work. It's not worth it.
chrismorgan 1y ago
API responses seem to be alternating between saying 19+20 and saying 0+0, at present.
scoopertrooper 1y ago
Weird the screen goes 18, 19, 21, then back to 18 and cycles again. (On iPad Safari)
bmacho 1y ago
Do you happen to have a counter how many times people create a webpage for data, intentionally show fake data, and submit that to HN?
Jordan-117 1y ago
Might make more sense to start at zero and then rapidly scale to the current number? To indicate fresh data is being loaded in without making it look like the reader happened to catch a new occurrence in real-time.
- lobsterthief 1y ago
  Would also be a fun way to animate the bar and animate the full being “sketched in”. Love the design btw, very fun to build I imagine
nartho 1y ago
Interestingly you're using long polling instead of WS or SSE, what was the reason behind that ?
- efilife 1y ago
  I'd guess simplicity
rendaw 1y ago
Probably brings up memories of travel sites saying "10 other people have this room in their cart"
handsclean 1y ago
I think the problem is people’s priors. This isn’t the first time we’re seeing data fake-arrive like this, and virtually always it’s done either to fake liveness or to lie about rate of change. So, it comes to mean not “live”, but “fake”, even though nefarious motives don’t make much sense in this fun context. It’s a shame, I think it’s a clever thought, and it doesn’t feel great when good intentions are met with an assumption of maliciousness.

Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

by yoavfr 1y ago

Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

I think it's a perfect (and subtle) way to signal that refreshing is unnecessary to see the latest data without wasting UI space explicitly explaining it. It was my favorite thing about the UI and I will be borrowing it next time I design a real-time interface where the numbers matter more than the precise timing.

CjHuber 1y ago
really? it left a bad aftertaste for me
- jcul 1y ago
  It's not that it's a fake number. They are saying the number is real, just it goes to current_value - 1, and then current value to indicate the value is updating live. Not sure if that was clear. Edit: I don't know if it's a real number but that's the claim in the comment above at least
  - CjHuber 1y ago
    I understand, it’s not about the number itself. My first thought when I opened the page was wow there was a update coincidentally right when I opened it. When refreshing again I felt like wtf I was being mislead
    - jcul 1y ago
      Yeah true, I was suspicious about that too.
zestyping 1y ago
It's a lie, though. When I see it, I know the interface is lying to me, and then I trust it less henceforth. I'll never build a lie into my work. It's not worth it.

chrismorgan 1y ago

API responses seem to be alternating between saying 19+20 and saying 0+0, at present.

scoopertrooper 1y ago

Weird the screen goes 18, 19, 21, then back to 18 and cycles again. (On iPad Safari)

bmacho 1y ago

Do you happen to have a counter how many times people create a webpage for data, intentionally show fake data, and submit that to HN?

Jordan-117 1y ago

Might make more sense to start at zero and then rapidly scale to the current number? To indicate fresh data is being loaded in without making it look like the reader happened to catch a new occurrence in real-time.

lobsterthief 1y ago
Would also be a fun way to animate the bar and animate the full being “sketched in”. Love the design btw, very fun to build I imagine

nartho 1y ago

Interestingly you're using long polling instead of WS or SSE, what was the reason behind that ?

efilife 1y ago
I'd guess simplicity

rendaw 1y ago

Probably brings up memories of travel sites saying "10 other people have this room in their cart"

handsclean 1y ago

I think the problem is people’s priors. This isn’t the first time we’re seeing data fake-arrive like this, and virtually always it’s done either to fake liveness or to lie about rate of change. So, it comes to mean not “live”, but “fake”, even though nefarious motives don’t make much sense in this fun context. It’s a shame, I think it’s a clever thought, and it doesn’t feel great when good intentions are met with an assumption of maliciousness.